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I tend to agree.

However, there's one point that makes me skeptical: there are no organizational changes, or changes to leadership, or anything in that direction.

This sounds like "the tech guys screwed up, culture and management is fine here". Which it might be, or it might not.

I would have loved to see

5. We will stop pushing customers so hard towards using our cloud

for one, but that wouldn't be convenient for Atlassian.




Note that the ToS also forbid Cloud users from “disseminating information” about “the performance of the products”.

So you can’t say it’s slow or unperforming.


I thought, in terms of Jira and Confluence at least, it was just accepted that being slow and underperforming was the status quo and if it was running at a speed you'd consider normal, that's an exception (and cause for alarm... like "did that actually save or is there a silent JS error not being displayed?").


Sure, it’d be extremely hard for their cloud offering to be slower than our on-premise installation.


Well that's some Oracle-tier shit.

(ref: https://danluu.com/anon-benchmark/)


Not just benchmarks, Oracle also sues (or threatens) security researchers, vendors, and of course customers for less.


Is that real? That is so bad. Queue up next “Shall not disclose or notice our incompetence” clause.


https://www.atlassian.com/legal/cloud-terms-of-service

> 3.3. Restrictions. Except as otherwise expressly permitted in these Terms, you will not:

> (i) publicly disseminate information regarding the performance of the Cloud Products; or (j) encourage or assist any third party to do any of the foregoing.


That should tell you everything you need to know about atlassian as a company and about how good their cloud product is.


I believe these clauses are usually there to prevent competitors from using (sometimes misleading) benchmarks in their advertising.

Used to be common to see this kind of comparisons between databased for example.


Link for reference: https://www.atlassian.com/legal/cloud-terms-of-service

> Except as otherwise expressly permitted in these Terms, you will not:

> ... (i) publicly disseminate information regarding the performance of the Cloud Products;


By keeping the management you have a chance they learn a lot from that unique experience. Changing leadership would be the PR move.


You can change leadership, but if culture is the problem, then you're out of luck.


I wouldn’t expect the larger question of what organizational and management issues lead to the problem in the larger sense to be made public. At least not while the issue is still fresh. Maybe down the road as a business school case study after some of the players retire.




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