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I am arguing that the risk of 'sparks' outweights the benefits of joining NATO right now.


Then you're effectively arguing that Finland never should join NATO. That's fine. But if someone believes that Finland ought to join NATO (and many people do), now is the time to do it, sparks or not. I just think it's misleading to argue it as "they should've done it before anyone realized it might be needed or wait until it's too late".


Yeah, and you're wrong. There could always be "sparks", so then Finland could never join.

Honestly, feels a bit suspicious with all these "only well-meaning" comments from various people... Comments that just "coincidentally" seem to further Putler's agenda.

(Yeah, I may be being a bit paranoid here. But this page has some pretty obvious trolls [and at least one total tinfoil-helmet kook]. So even if I'm wrong, maybe think about whether your comments are actually all that well-thought-out, when that's what they come off as?)


It is a fallacy that to not support NATO is to support Putin.

NATO's main members has been involved in multiple bloody and failed wars since 1991 and is no beacon of light and humanism when it comes to war to put it lightly.

And I don't think actual government shills would bother discussing on HN. But I might be wrong.


what sparks.

russia is 100% committed to ukraine. there's nothing left to catch fire.




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