> >Some of us are still incensed by the lies that were trotted out though.
> this is the only point i'm trying to make.
And it's a bad one. Because:
> suppose tomorrow biden comes up and wants to invade iran for example. will american public lap it up like they have for the last so many decades,
The very line you quoted told you that many (most?) of them didn't "lap it up" then either.
You're really not very good at this, are you?
> its fine when usa takes revenge but russia cant defend its borders?
Russia ISN'T "defend[ing] its borders"! Holy shit, how often do people have to explain this so you Putin-Versteher will get it?!? NOBODY WAS ABOUT TO ATTACK RUSSIA.
> i am not a troll
Even if you think you aren't, you're walking and quacking like one. Which in the end means you are one.
I think Putin's reasoning is that Ukraine's very independence amounts to seizing Russian sovereign territory.
What I find remarkable is the rarity of reports of Ukrainian attacks behind Russian lines (i.e. in Russian territory). As far as I can tell, they've blown up two fuel dumps and an arms dump. Given the dependence of Russia on what appear to be thin logistics lines, I'd have expected loads of missile attacks on bridges and rail junctions.
Of course, there's propaganda everywhere; perhaps Ukraine has been attacking Russian supply lines, and we're not being told, because that would serve neither Ukraainian nor Russian interests. I guess we'll have to wait until historians get their hands on the records.
The Neptune anti-ship missiles that sank the Moskva apparently have a range of 280km. They were invented and are made in Ukraine.
The Baykratar TB-2 drone from Turkey apparently has a 4,000km range. Clearly, Ukraine has the ability to strike behind Russian lines.
If Ukraine is really trying to avoid Russian civilian casualties by declining to attack Russian supply lines, that seems foolish, and I don't believe it. I do believe that they have not deliberately attacked Russian population centres.
Russia will not want to publicise successful attacks by Ukraine on Russian military positions in Russia. They are still pretending that Russia is not at war. And Ukraine will not want to tell the world that they have hit Russian civilians, or even targets in Russia; it's advantageous for Ukraine if everyone believes this is 100% a defensive action.
But you can't defend effectively just by sitting there in your trenches; you have to strike enemy supply lines. And Russia's supply lines are vulnerable. So I assume they are being attacked. We're just not being told about it.
> this is the only point i'm trying to make.
And it's a bad one. Because:
> suppose tomorrow biden comes up and wants to invade iran for example. will american public lap it up like they have for the last so many decades,
The very line you quoted told you that many (most?) of them didn't "lap it up" then either.
You're really not very good at this, are you?
> its fine when usa takes revenge but russia cant defend its borders?
Russia ISN'T "defend[ing] its borders"! Holy shit, how often do people have to explain this so you Putin-Versteher will get it?!? NOBODY WAS ABOUT TO ATTACK RUSSIA.
> i am not a troll
Even if you think you aren't, you're walking and quacking like one. Which in the end means you are one.