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I don't think they said they currently are. I hope for their sake they moved on because it doesn't sound like they had a particularly great time.

On topic: there are plenty of great employers in our industry but you will have to make an effort to find them. And of course it's never going to be perfect.

Maybe this is an odd proposition, but if you can't find no-whiteboard employers in SV, why don't you go looking elsewhere?



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