Most people would be better off buying a new fridge every time it breaks rather than a subzero. Subzero is at least twice as expensive, if not 4x as expensive as a consumer level fridge.

Costco even offers a 4 year warranty if you buy with their credit card.

Sub zero will last you as long as all 4 of those new ones combined, and thus are worth the hefty price.

The only good (read- meant to last) fridges are older ones.

Same for washers and dryers, can't tell you how many times someone would get a new set, sell or donate their old ones, and get pissed when one or both stop working and require extensive repairs within the first few months.

Costco, Home Depot, Lowes, Urners, we did the repairs for them all. Wish I'd taken pictures of the warehouse full of brand new units we had to diagnose and repair.

It's gotten so bad for instance maytag still has some units with 10 yr parts and labor (but it's only on select parts). Say I had a bad frontloader with a drum issue- boot warped, literally anything where I'd need to disassemble the case to get to the drum- they'd just send a whole new assembly. Still a bitch of a job, still quite a few hours, still an expensive part, and definitely would have been cheaper to replace the unit. Still we'd have to effect the repairs. Nothing makes any sense.

Edit to add- a few years ago now Frigidaire was merged with Electrolux. Shortly thereafter their 'website was hacked'. Their words. They have not, to this very day, gotten that back up and running. Need to look up a Frigidaire/Electrolux/Amana/whatever other names they use part number? Service issues? Good luck, you have to call them from on site and sit there for hours (super common with WP too).

Apparently no one had a backup. Or was able to put something new together within two years

This is how little these companies give a fuck about customers or the equipment they sell.

> Sub zero will last you as long as all 4 of those new ones combined, and thus are worth the hefty price.

I always buy from Costco so that would have to be 16 years. I would rather invest the difference in cost and keep buying new every 4 years.

I got you. Everyone has their preferences. Having said that no consumer should be replacing appliances that often.

Refrigerators used to last 10-20 years for a fraction of the price.

In my experience, they last me at least 6 years. I bought my parents’ washer dryer in 2012 (Electrolux) and it hasn’t had a problem, and my LG stuff from 2016 is still fine. And I had babies, so we were doing washer/dryer loads almost every day, multiple times per day many days, and opening and closing the fridge and freezer all the time too.

I feel like the calculation is more like spend $1k to $2k for a machine with 80% probability of lasting 5+ years, and 50% chance of lasting 10+ years, or spend $5k+ for machines with a 95% chance of lasting 10 years. But the problem is the subzero does not come with a parts and labor warranty for 10 years, so might as well go with the former option, and replace it if it breaks.

And also, I am not running a mission critical operation at home where a broken fridge is going to drastically affect our lives (we have a 2nd in garage anyway), so why not take the gamble, and invest the extra money?

> I would rather invest the difference in cost and keep buying new every 4 years.

So much for the environmental impact of that production and shipping...

Liebherr's fridges are bulletproof.

We have a Whirlpool dishwasher and it’s very quiet. I don’t know if it’s as quiet as the Bosch ones mentioned above, but I often don’t notice it’s on. It does take forever to complete a load, and it never fully dries the dishes. Even with the setting to high heat, they still come out dripping wet. I’m not sure why.

Sure your rinse aid dispenser is filled and at an appropriate setting? Modern dishwashers depend heavily on rinse aid, which is ultimately a surfactant to prevent surface tension from making water cling to your dishes - the dry boost setting can help but it’s not going to get pools of water out of cups with convex bottoms and such.

Could not be getting hot enough, the heating element and thermistor go bad fairly often. Vents, drain pumps, all go bad so often it's pretty crazy.

As mentioned below def use rinse aid, but I've also seen where people use too much rinse aid and it clogs the spray arms, etc.

You can google your model number and see the steps to enter diagnostics, as well as what the different codes mean.

What do you dislike about induction ranges?

Where to start. The glass can easily chip/crack/splinter, and if you use the wrong choice if words it won't be covered under warranty.

You have to use specific pots and pans, regular ones will destroy your glass.

They are too expensive, and from what I understand pretty hard to cook with (I've not used them myself aside from testing and whatnot).

They simply aren't worth the added hassle, fragility, and added expenses. If it did something super awesome to offset those issues it wouldn't be so bad.

> The glass can easily chip/crack/splinter

Maybe some knockoffs do, but basically the only way to crack the glass is to make something heavy like a pot fall from a serious height on it.

> You have to use specific pots and pans, regular ones will destroy your glass.

That's untrue, they just need to be metallic for the induction to work

> They are too expensive, and from what I understand pretty hard to cook with (I've not used them myself aside from testing and whatnot).

No? They aren't harder to cook than any other cooktop.

> They simply aren't worth the added hassle, fragility, and added expenses. If it did something super awesome to offset those issues it wouldn't be so bad.

They're the best electric option - fastest to warm and cool, and most efficient. Gas belongs in the past for most people ( air quality, pollution, risks ( like leaks, fires) and in general we should be moving away from all fossil fuels).

1- They crack/scratch so often often its not unheard of to replace the glass on a new install.

2- if you think 'metal' pots and pans is all they need... I don't even know how to reply to that.

3- I only have hearsay.

4- best electric option? Dude you are arguing with a repair tech about things from the consumer side. They are hands down the worst option and universally hated by techs.

You may prefer them and that's fine, but google can inform you on the myriad problems apparently better than I can.

'gas belongs in the past' lol ok, wait till your power goes out. Or do electric, but not induction. There's a reason sales for them fell off a cliff and stayed there.

But, more power to you, if you like induction that's fine.

>stay away from induction heating

Why? This is hands-down the best there is, not only from a control perspective but also safety and easy-to-clean too.