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> In France, top positions in the administration are usually filled by people that are technically excellent and have gone through the system of grandes écoles (ENS, ENA, X, ...)

That's a misconception. ENS has two branches, science and literature. ENS Sciences is technical, the other isn't. X (Polytechnique) is an engineering school in theory, but in practice very few of its students become actual engineers.

ENA is essentially a law school; it's even less than that, it only teaches how the French administration works, not law.

The one thing these schools have in common is that they are extremely competitive, and select for extreme dedication (and a bizarre capacity to study with high intensity at an age when other people are dating or partying).

But at the top level of the French government you mostly find only énarques (= people who attended ENA); they are not technical in the least, "don't have a clue about technology", but think they know everything. It's a terrible, terrible system.

Source: am French.



I had colleagues that went through École Polytechnique and the Corps de Mines (usually reserved to the top 2 graduates of a given graduating class of several grandes ecoles) that then went on to work for the government. And I think it's still mandatory to work a certain number of years in the administration after going through some of the grandes écoles, not sure if that was changed (I graduated in 2012 so it was a while ago).

Of course not everyone is graduating with a technical degree, but coming from Germany where top politicians often don't even have a finished university degree and high-ranked politicians are regularly found out to have been plagiarizing their PhD work it was pretty impressive to see a working elite system. It also has some negative aspects and nepotism is a thing as well (in the sense that people who went through the system know how to game it to get their children in with high probability) but it's much better than what we have here, in my opinion.

Germany was and still is scared of anything that can be considered elitist as people always associate it with the elitism from the Third Reich.


I know almost nothing about the German political system so I won't discuss that. But the French system has plenty of flaws, two of the biggest being that

1/ énarques aren't technical at all, don't actually know anything except how bureaucracy works, and yet they're in charge of everything

2/ super-selective schools have the side effect of letting people think they're geniuses because they topped a competition while in their teens


Yeah I'm sure the French system also has its problems, my general impression about the administration (not top level political positions) was that people were more technically competent though. I might be biased though as I mostly know people from a few institutes on the Saclay plateau, so it might just have been an "island of happiness" in a sea of problems.


70% of the people in current Bundestag have finished University and another 15% some other colleges. 5% studied without finishing. With a clear upward trend in those numbers each legislature period. I'd consider that a high enough number for people representing society. Thought technical degrees are sadly rather low (don't have exact numbers, but seem to be around 10% of those with degrees). Source (in german): https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/272942/924eeff93db104...




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