First, obviously I agree that crime can be influenced by social media trends.
Second, I'm sorry for sounding dismissive of something that most likely directly affected you. I'm trying to argue that I believe your larger point is wrong. I'm contributing to your additive that goes farther than "Facebook causes burglaries."
You're blaming the people equally or more than the organizations. You're saying that children's behavior has changed thus allowing more people to be manipulated in this way, where I'm saying the tools organizations now have to cause harm is a more important callout than pontificating about self-respect/reliance. If TikTok was, for example, invented in the 70's, and your theory of a shift in self-reliance is correct, it's incredibly likely the same thing would have happened anyway regardless of how much self-respect children had back then in comparison.
That being said, I think talking about a shift in self-respect is in interesting conversation, albeit crotchety. I will say that I believe every generation feels this way about younger generations. It's also incredibly easy to have self-respect driven by pride which is it's own problem.
Edit: You were saying someone else was being dismissive, my fault.
Agreed, I was referring to the response up thread by @dymk.
> If TikTok was, for example, invented in the 70's, and your theory of a shift in self-reliance is correct, it's incredibly likely the same thing would have happened anyway regardless of how much self-respect children had back then in comparison.
This is possibly true. I'll allow for the fact I am probably over emphasizing one aspect of a larger social shift that is probably driven by something multi-faceted. My basic hypothesis for this sub-discussion, is that someone with self-respect wouldn't put themselves on social media the way people do with TikTok in the first place. The people I interact with (regardless of age) who spend most of their time creating, producing, and doing, and have high levels of self-esteem don't spend very much time on social media pandering for imaginary points and validation from strangers, because they have no need of any such validation from strangers due to their self-esteem and self-respect.
> That being said, I think talking about a shift in self-respect is in interesting conversation, albeit crotchety. I will say that I believe every generation feels this way about younger generations. It's also incredibly easy to have self-respect driven by pride which is it's own problem.
Yes, I'd like to delve into this deeper. I want to clarify that I don't think this is necessarily generational. I'm an older Millennial / Xennial, and I've definitely seen the lack of self-respect in people in Gen X, as well as folks in my age cohort. This is not me saying "those damn kids and their TikTok", it's me saying that we have a widespread problem within our society, which is not caused by social media, but is greatly exacerbated by it and likely to some degree spread/communicated by it.
The lack of self-respect and self-esteem began before social media rose to popularity, it's simply that social media has provided broad interconnection between people and a way to create and drive trends, as well as the most likely effects it has on mental health itself. If you think of lacking self-esteem or self-respect as a piece of mental health, this is most likely inter-related to the larger trend towards worsening mental health in the Western world. This effect cuts across age groups, class, wealth, and other demographics, so it's definitely not something generationally restricted, nor is it something that only happens to poor people. To no small degree, that's kind of the thrust of my original comment, which is that crime is on the rise in wealthier parts of communities/cities/country, when historically those were areas nearly fully insulated from criminality. Crime is a symptom, in my mind, of a shift in social mores, self-respect, and mental health.
I see, so you're saying that social media is exacerbating an already moving shift.
Crime on the rise in insulated communities could be a statement from those fed up. It could be a deterioration of mental health conditions. It could also be that we're growing and growing in population and getting ever closer in proximity to each other making it impossible to insulate physically. It's probably all of those things and more but I'm on your side now.
>I'm an older Millennial / Xennial, and I've definitely seen the lack of self-respect in people in Gen X, as well as folks in my age cohort. This is not me saying "those damn kids and their TikTok",
Yes and I don't think pointing out a shift in "fuck you behavior" is crotchety, I just thought that the specific example was not up to par because it didn't show a reflection of that shift. I've had poor and wealthy classmates do all of those things in the past and have heard stories from grandparents exhibiting the same behavior in that age group.
>The people I interact with (regardless of age) who spend most of their time creating, producing, and doing, and have high levels of self-esteem don't spend very much time on social media pandering for imaginary points and validation from strangers, because they have no need of any such validation from strangers due to their self-esteem and self-respect.
That is your microcosm, and it sounds like a good one. Most creators, producers, doers that exist, live for attention and validation.
Second, I'm sorry for sounding dismissive of something that most likely directly affected you. I'm trying to argue that I believe your larger point is wrong. I'm contributing to your additive that goes farther than "Facebook causes burglaries."
You're blaming the people equally or more than the organizations. You're saying that children's behavior has changed thus allowing more people to be manipulated in this way, where I'm saying the tools organizations now have to cause harm is a more important callout than pontificating about self-respect/reliance. If TikTok was, for example, invented in the 70's, and your theory of a shift in self-reliance is correct, it's incredibly likely the same thing would have happened anyway regardless of how much self-respect children had back then in comparison.
That being said, I think talking about a shift in self-respect is in interesting conversation, albeit crotchety. I will say that I believe every generation feels this way about younger generations. It's also incredibly easy to have self-respect driven by pride which is it's own problem.
Edit: You were saying someone else was being dismissive, my fault.