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> but not infinite unbalanced growth disconnected from natural resources.

You seem to insist on misunderstanding what I write. Not sure where you got that.

> we are one species

To clarify, the "species" in question are corporations, collectives, and/or any organized entity made by humans, existing in the ecosystem of human economic activity. Hope that finally clears it up.



> You seem to insist on misunderstanding what I write. Not sure where you got that.

I got it from this, that you wrote

My impression was that constant growth is the normal state of nature, not a malady

Your impression is wrong, constant growth is not the normal state of nature.

The normal state of nature is equilibrium.

Nature constantly moves towards maximum entropy.

> To clarify, the "species" in question are corporations, collectives, and/or any organized entity made by humans

See the problem?

Nature metaphors fall short every time one uses them to describe modern human society and its complexity.

In what you call "the ecosystem of human economic activity" all people coexist peacefully and none of them is the prayer or the prey, none of them is the sheep or the wolf, all of them have personalities and express different behaviors in different circumstances, sometimes they aren't even coherent, because they are people and not metaphors of the wildlife at large.

You'll never see a wolf help a sheep in need, a wolf will always be a wolf, a sheep always a sheep, a shark always a shark, while it's common among people to help each other, even for individuals who have the "predator" (with a thousand quotes around it) traits at work or when playing professional sports.

We are not organized in the same way nature is self organized.

At all.

We are very far from it, not because we are not part of nature, but because we don't have to follow its rules anymore.

The only rule we should follow and we constantly don't and end up in deep, scary, probably irreversible crisis is that "constant growth" means total depletion of the resources, which in turn means human civilization as we know it will disappear.


> My impression was that constant growth is the normal state of nature, not a malady

I did not write that.

"In nature, unimpeded, continual growth is typically a malady. Ecosystems, species, and even individual biological units at most experience a growth spurt to bring the system to a viable state for steady-state continuity."

I wrote that.


My first reply was to this comment, that I quoted.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32464963

Anyway, there's one thing we can learn from nature.

How individual cells of different nature and scope, unaware of each other, cooperate by passing messages to make living beings functional.

That would be really interesting.




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