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Finding a loophole in the system and working out a shortened lease length with a dealership on a $100K car is not a very strong example of a "vain egomaniac". I could also easily argue here a certain "hacker spirit", and that Jobs really valued his privacy.

Would you say the same about people who pay for VPN services to mask their IP address while browsing online?


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Nothing is as unrecognizable as a light grey Mercedes SL55 with no license plate.


Dented golden grey Camry is a true urban chameleon.


Is that a car that would be particularly out of place in an Apple parking lot or even in any parking lot in Silicon Valley? I’ve certainly seen way more expensive cars on the lots. If I recall correctly Ives drives Aston Martins and Bentleys.


How many without license plates?


Why would you think it's Jobs' car and not a random new purchase?


I'd suggest reading the Steve Jobs biography by Walter Isaacson. Humans are complex creatures and a distilled one sentence summation rarely does us justice.


You can apply that logic to extol anyone.

Jobs was a veritable maniac. Because he can write poetry with a crass corporate sign off doesn't add anything to him not being a shithead.


I'm not extolling or making any other value judgement on anyone. I'm saying that humans are complex and the particular human that parent was expressing incredulity about has a detailed biography available that might be of interest.


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Would you please stop posting flamewar comments and breaking the site guidelines? We ban accounts that do those things. We're not going to ban you for criticizing $celebrity, obviously, but please stop degrading the thread(s) like this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: this has been a problem for quite a while, including re said $celebrity:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29164801 (Nov 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25994615 (Feb 2021)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25515179 (Dec 2020)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24501254 (Sept 2020)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19510410 (March 2019)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14933521 (Aug 2017)

I don't want to ban you because you also post good comments. Please fix this so we don't have to.


Please delete my account and all its comments.


Damn? Not only all of that, but he also seemed to piss in your coffee this morning.


Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes everything worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


I think the severity of the response matches the unwarranted adulation usually heaped on Jobs. Some seem to almost think that he was some sort of minor deity.


> He had no redeeming qualities. He was just an asshole who got lucky and then got rich enough that everyone enabled him.

He was an asshole, and also had a lot of redeeming qualities. They're not mutually exclusive. People aren't 2-dimensional, even if it's easier to pretend that they are.


Sent from my iPhone


Consider this: you are sharing a popular opinion so poorly that people are reacting negatively.

Put another way, it is not contradictory that a human act shitty in some (or even many ways) but also experience awe and humility.


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Damn, imagine if we were in a world where there’s a multitude of opinions? Crazy right?


I bet getting fired from your own company, having a few kids, and surviving a couple near-death experiences will do a number on your ego.


Edwin Catmull, founder of pixar, said that Steve jobs really mellowed out in his later years.


That tends to happen as people get closer to death.


I don't know, to me it seems pretty hollow, like something the character Gavin Belson in "Silicon Valley" would do to virtue signal to himself to stroke his own ego. Words don't cost anything, especially to yourself.


I'm not too surprised. The people with the highest highs often have the lowest lows.


I am driving cars I have never built.


I am typing this message on a keyboard layout i did not conceive.


I’m perpetuating a comment chain I did not start


I just farted.

I fart, therefore I am.


for if I had conceived it, it would have never been QWERTY


But did you go down the rabbit hole of r/mk and solder that bad boy yourself?


I’m living in a body I didn’t conceive.




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