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>>> From: Steve Jobs To: Steve Jobs

Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010 at 11:08PM

I grow little of the food I eat, and of the little I do grow I did not breed or perfect the seeds.

I do not make any of my own clothing.

I speak a language I did not invent or refine.

I did not discover the mathematics I use.

I am protected by freedoms and laws I did not conceive of or legislate, and do not enforce or adjudicate.

I am moved by music I did not create myself.

When I needed medical attention, I was helpless to help myself survive.

I did not invent the transistor, the microprocessor, object oriented programming, or most of the technology I work with.

I love and admire my species, living and dead, and am totally dependent on them for my life and well being.

sent from my ipad >>>

Just when I thought Ashton Kutcher and Michael Fassbender had taught me everything I needed to know about this random billionaire I come across this... Well played internet...

Also is this real or not?




Sweet, thank you Tim Cook :^)


Here is Steve Job's video that came much decades before and shared the same thoughts: https://stevejobsarchive.com/international-design-conference...


Huh, 27 years apart and it's almost verbatim. Is it taken from some existing text or was it some personal mantra (for lack of a better word) he created?


That reads deep, but then it might also be an iPad keyboard test since it's dated in 2010, the same year iPad was introduced.


Those are not mutually exclusive.

Also now that I think about it, that might have been a good product test. To see if the tools get out of the way and let the creativity flow.


> I love and admire my species, living and dead, and am totally dependent on them for my life and well being.

This almost sounds like a Buddhist vow.


Wasn't he a Buddhist?


No subject line?


Omg you're right, what? Come on Steve!


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Sick people don't make the best decisions especially while they are dying.


He had multiple years and plenty of time when he was sound of mind.


Most people listen to medical experts instead of hippie crystal therapy like Steve chose, and when that didn’t work, he used his wealth and privilege to establish residency in a state where he could jump in line for a liver transplant, got it, was too far gone and died anyway. Wasted a perfectly good liver on that sociopath.


Fortunately for us, nobody will ever care enough to scrutinize and pick apart the stupid/selfish things we did in our lives.

Don’t fall for the great man fallacy, nor its opposite, the villain fallacy. It’s just oversimplified media narratives.

Most people are complicated.


> because I knew better.

It's not because he knew better, but because he didn't like it. And frankly, who can blame him? The survival rate from pancreatic cancer is quite low, as is the median life expectancy. Moreover, he had the misfortune of getting a more aggressive variant. And the treatment is quite heavy.

Nevertheless, if it was me, everything considered, I'd still try to take my chances. And I believe most people would do the same. It's a pity, because there is still some chance he could still be around.


The survival rate increase dramatically with wealth

Also pancreatic cancer that was likely comorbid with his dietary choices, to begin with, so it's not just about the treatment of choice.


It read like pile of self serving bs, given how he treated others around him.

Judge people by actions not words.


Given the complexities of the Whipple procedure, I'm not sure I would go through with it either, honestly.

I'm not a doctor, but I've dealt with a looot of oncologists, and with people at the end of life from cancer. Most cancer docs would choose to go through with far less cancer treatments than their patients typically choose.


His tumor was caught early and easily operable (it was a rare type of pancreatic cancer that was). No doctor would have suggested he ignore the surgical option for diet etc, changes. By the time he changed his mind/it got worse, his options were much more limited.


> easily operable

I could be wrong, but I thought the operation was a Whipple procedure, and the concern I lay out is that the operation is not easy.


Even then he had options only the 1% can do - move to a state to cut in line. Still didn’t work. I think he was just trying to hang in long enough to see his $200M yacht get finished and in the water. Oops.


The Whipple procedure in pancreatic cancer is usually only performed with curative intent. It's not a palliative treatment. I think most people, when faced with the possibility of getting a cure for pancreatic cancer (which, believe me, it's not a nice cancer at all) would choose to go with that procedure.


Well of course doctors would - they’re not going through it so don’t have all the emotional baggage the patients do.


I think you misunderstand - they're saying that the doctors would elect to receive less treatments than the average patient if they themselves were sick - presumably because they are well aware of the low likelihood of success and the brutality of going through it.

I'm not a physician, either, but this rings true with experiences from my own life, were people I knew who were doctors decided early to stop treatment and let the disease run its course (and subsequently passed away).


The person you are replying to is saying that doctors often choose to forgo treatment options that their patients undergo.

See https://hms.harvard.edu/news/how-doctors-die - "Physicians are less likely than the general population to undergo intense end-of-life treatments"


Is this Steve Jobs's word?


Also extremely strange is he received a liver transplant much quicker than average, in a state far from where he lived, which later received a $40mil anonymous donation

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2015/11/12/hospital-where-jobs-rece...


I'm honestly not sure why this was never more complained about. He ignored medical advice, that's fine I guess, his right. But he effectively stole a liver from someone and essentially wasted it. Must be nice to have FU money.


I’d rather be alive, living my non-rich, non-famous life than to have FU money and be dead.


I think the point is that someone who is non-rich and non-famous might also be non-alive because of this missing liver.


Isn't that one of the big positives of being rich? You can use your funds to get anything that civilization has to offer. If you are salty about this then it's not even a far reach to be salty about rich people in general. They have better food, better entertainment, less pollution around them etc, etc. Which all leads to them having a more longer and fulfilling life in general.


It's one of the positives of being rich in a plutocracy.

Whether plutocracy is a good, never mind ideal, way to organise a planetary culture is very much up for debate.


Definitely! My point was more that I find it odd to see the exact same mechanism all around you every day and then throw your hands up in disgust on this specific instance.


This is disgusting because someone more deserving died when he took the liver that was going to them.

Which other every-day mechanisms results in the death of one of two parties?


The list I posted. Better food and being around less polution literally increases your life expectancy by years.


Given something like 40% of liver transplants go to people with alcohol related diseases this doesn’t bother me too much.


I don't understand your point. Is it "fuck people with addiction issues"?


Let's not pretend rich people don't skip the line. I mean, it's so obvious it would happen, and no amount of regulation will prevent that because whoever is involved can easily be corrupted with FU money.


For sure. That’s the whole basis of healthcare in the US; the more money you have the better it is. I don’t agree with it and I’m glad my country does this differently up to a point but I don’t see why this particular incident is surprising or unfair if that’s the system Americans have decided to live with.


Ah yes, the old organ switcharoo.


Yeah, but you still made the trillion pounds of e-waste from everything you did do, and profitted off of jony's shitty fucking life-cycle understanding of anything plastic...

Fuck Jobs worship.

He DID CREATE a ton of shit that the world doesnt need in the environment and by claiming that appl is some beacon of the most amazing design - nope. If appl was the bastion for thought on product design, I wouldnt have ~20 broken iphones, some of which went through many screens, nor would I have a fuck-ton-pil of shitty designed cables that cost $30 a piece, or a lot more of lame chinese knock-offs that they tried to block the device from recognizing, nor would there be a trillion tons of defunct plastic phone cases all over the world...

Your company is THE REASON SUICIDE NETS EXIST at foxcon

jony is a guy who literally removed any sort of lanyard hook from the phone -- when literally every phone in asia at the time of the iphone launch had one, AND there was an entire market for lanyard styles and accessories - because the lanyard "interfered with his vision" -- which CLEARLY his vision was FUCK TON of broken screens for appl profit.

If you dont know the history.... fuck that.

Should I fucking go on?

They are an environmental psychopath trying to punch you in the face with pollution and telling you to love them and give them money.

(the tech is not the question, its their response to the tech's impact (FFS I had a recalled macbook explode into fire in my bed and they refused to honor the FUCKING RECALL)


I respect your rage, but your use of f*ck too many times is actually a detriment to your arguments. I am not offended by it, I am simply suggesting that a different tone would have added to your credibility.


Every forum/thread comment is so saturated by the F word that I'm not even sure what it means anymore. I would bet that every 10th word on the Internet is the F word.


I don't worship Jobs, but I believe it is easy to criticize than to create.


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Apple provides security updates far longer than Android does.

They continue to patch the first 64-bit phone and the first phone with a dedicated secure enclave: the iPhone 5s, released 9 years ago.


When some weird hate blinds your rationality and you start talking about missing lanyards on an iPhone. lol

Is that satire?


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It is weird hate.


Everything you list are also done by any other big corp. I avoid Apple because of their walled garden at all costs, however I don't feel Apple is much worse than any other corp of similar size for the things you list.

And for Steve Jobs I always thought he is a selfish and arrogant asshole, however this might be true or not, by now I am more worried by the rich supposed philanthropists. We are maybe better off with selfish, arrogant asshole billionaires, than billionaires that try to change humanity "for the better".


Philanthropy these days is about tax haven "foundations" where you and your billionaire friends trade tax laundering "as charity" back and forth, and then appoint nepotistic kids to director roles at your foundation and pay them huge salaries.

One of the best examples of this was when Sarah Palin's teen daughter got pregnant, then got flack, so they created a "foundation" to fight teen pregnancy, and it was revealed that the Palin Daughter was being paid some ridiculous amount to be the head of the "foundation"

Anytime you hear about a billionaire's "foundation" -- think "money laundering"

The clinton Foundation (probably the most corrupt foundation known)? The Gates Foundation? The zuckerberg foundation... all of them are money laundering tax avoidance schemes. Irrespective of the small amount of "charity" they do - they money "stays in the family" as it were...


Was any of this rant typed on an Apple product? Just because a little drunk and thus quite feisty.


NO

It was not.

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EDIT,

It as typed on an HP OMEN -- and through my 30+ years in tech I have had a lot of bad things to say about HP in the middlings -- (HP/COMPAQ had the best support mid '90s to very early 2000's (then the Carlie debacle bullshit happened) -- but the HP support right now... is stellar (at least in my experience currently).

No tech company is beyond reproach.


I love this. I am not so strong as to put my money where my morals are, so I seriously respect your position and dedication to it.


Sure that's your hardware. What's your browser?


FF on desktop, brave on mobile.


brave < chrome < webkit < typed on apple product?

...thats what i was getting at :P


It would have been a perfectly ironic rant, if only it ended with "Sent from my iPad".




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