> There is an unhealthy attraction towards new paradigms and tools and an unhealthy willingness to endure paper cuts.
Web developers (who are often maligned on this site) are both too eager to move to better tools... But also, not eager enough
> So many practices simply wouldn't fly in any other community. Skepticism towards new ideas and a stubbornness to resist change are very important attributes for any community.
Yeah, and hooks had a lot of pushback at the time. The new useEffect semantics are getting pushback. These are exactly what you are asking for.
What are you wanting us webdevs to... _do_, exactly? It seems anyone can come to Reddit or the orange site and rail against UI programmers all day. But if we sit down and explain the situation nobody is very interested to listen.
Webdevs are very much part of this community, I don't think anyone will say otherwise. I definitely am not trying to malign anyone, just sharing my observations. This is of course a very subjective matter and I don't deny I could be far off from reality, but it's a personal observation for now. The community here believes strongly in critique and I hope we appreciate critique for what it is.
On the topic, the latest kid on the block is deno. New runtime is cool, but having to rewrite userland is ludicrous. Now you have deno dotenv package, (inspired by node dotenv), oak middleware inspired by koa, semver, base64, a modern web framework... where's the end to this? Reinvent the entire node ecosystem and fragment the community?
Now I never blame the creators because they are attempting something, but if this takes off I will blame the community. People should be up with their arms shouting what a terrible idea this is, but that kind of critique is something that is missing from this community. One of the best things about the web community is their unconditional positivity, but that is also their failing. I fear people will jump on bandwagon and embrace deno with both arms, we will see a race to rewrite all the popular node packages in deno, companies will open positions for deno developers, new developers will be asking whether they should take the node course or the deno course, all until the next asteroid arrives.
> It seems anyone can come to Reddit or the orange site and rail against UI programmers all day. But if we sit down and explain the situation nobody is very interested to listen.
And when someone tries to make things better with a new take or tool they get shat on here with “hurr durr those JavaScript developers always jumping on the new framework of the week”
HN, where sneering at web devs always gets upvotes and somehow never gets old
> There is an unhealthy attraction towards new paradigms and tools and an unhealthy willingness to endure paper cuts.
Web developers (who are often maligned on this site) are both too eager to move to better tools... But also, not eager enough
> So many practices simply wouldn't fly in any other community. Skepticism towards new ideas and a stubbornness to resist change are very important attributes for any community.
Yeah, and hooks had a lot of pushback at the time. The new useEffect semantics are getting pushback. These are exactly what you are asking for.
What are you wanting us webdevs to... _do_, exactly? It seems anyone can come to Reddit or the orange site and rail against UI programmers all day. But if we sit down and explain the situation nobody is very interested to listen.