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>I'd also be careful not to conflate "people who think free speech is a bad idea" and "people who want limitations on speech."

sorry, 'free speech except for special pleading for the ideas i don't like' is not free speech.



Cool quote out of context, but did you read the rest? I have difficulty believing you're arguing in good faith.

If you are arguing in good faith, why are you on HackerNews? Censorship is built-in to the platform with votes and flags, and this is one of the most strictly moderated (censored) social media sites.

This isn't special pleading, it's simple nuance. I don't think it's worthwhile to explain why StackExchange would be worse if they allowed porn, or why HackerNews would be worse if we could compare it disfavorably to Reddit (something you're not allowed to say here.)


>I would reject the claim that there's an uptick in people who are against free-speech. I don't see anything to substantiate that.

it's hard for me to read this and believe you're arguing in good faith either. there is a level of political censorship ongoing in conventional social media that is unprecedented in my lifetime.


What country are you living in? My post was from a US perspective. If in the US, I still believe you're wrong, and my argument doesn't rely on that either way.

You haven't addressed the extreme limitations on speech the US no longer has, you haven't even addressed the limitations on speech that HackerNews has (which IMO make it better).

You are only repeating your vague unsubstantiated statements and mixing in my language about good/bad faith, without addressing arguments. This is a 2010-ish troll playbook, and you are not making addressable arguments, so I don't intend to reply to you any further.



This idealism doesn't always work in practice. The more public and popular a forum is, the more we need to weed out spam, scams, vandalism, and other kinds of malware/DoS.


To be clear, we are in agreement!

I'm making an argument that some limitations are worthwhile, and this doesn't make someone "against free speech" except with the most extreme absolutist interpretation.

EDIT: I misread the indentation on mobile-- I thought this was a direct reply to me. My mistake!




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