Edge is a reskinned Chromium browser with Microsoft tracking and telemetry baked in. Just because they have a VPN now, it doesn't make it any more private/secure. Why do people use Edge? If you're any way privacy conscious you wouldn't use Microsoft products.
> Yes, I'm definitely going to audit some giant as hell CPP code base (diffs) every four weeks.
I've had this discussion with other people too, just because you don't want to doesn't mean you can't. So your point of suspecting something nefarious is moot for me until you can back it up.
If I do already use Windows, then I'm already relying on MS
Using Edge doesn't change much, meanwhile using ungoogled Chromium means that I have to trust additional actors
Additionally MS inserting e.g "backdoor" into Edge could cost them a lot of in PR damages meanwhile what if ungoogled chromium inserted some kind of "backdoor"?
I don't even know people who maintain it, so I wouldn't even be able to break their windows or throw eggs at them
> I don't even know people who maintain it, so I wouldn't even be able to break their windows or throw eggs at them
I hear your point on this, it's pretty hard to put your faith in a browser that updates regularly and not just for schema reasons. But you seem okay with Edge..
> Using Edge doesn't change much, meanwhile using ungoogled Chromium means that I have to trust additional actors
This is where I'm confused.
> Additionally MS inserting e.g "backdoor" into Edge could cost them a lot of in PR damages
I'm not an M$ hater, they've been incredible. dotNet core is a gift. GoPilot is a good use of whatever we're doing here. But why do you think if they could work a 'backdoor' (without leaks from employees) would actually matter. Their fine would be minimal.. See FB
I think we've come full circle. I'm defending your point that Edge might be just another 'Okay' browser.
> Using Edge doesn't change much, meanwhile using ungoogled Chromium means that I have to trust additional actors
Because I'm already on Windows, thus I already trust Microsoft
>I'm not an M$ hater, they've been incredible. dotNet core is a gift. GoPilot is a good use of whatever we're doing here. But why do you think if they could work a 'backdoor' (without leaks from employees) would actually matter. Their fine would be minimal.. See FB
On the other hand take a look at Intel - they had security issues and not even intentional and there was a lot of dmg to their brand due to all those CPU related vulns in last years
> also "ungoogled Chromium" - The process is Chrome is Googled Chromium.
You can download Chromium[0], but people tend to be referring to the project called "Ungoogled Chromium"[1] to remove any calls to Google domains, eg. safe browsing, which are still present in Chromium.
My primary browser is Firefox. I have Edge as my backup browser for sites that don’t work with Firefox, and sometimes for watching stuff. There is no reason for me to install Chrome. (And Microsoft isn’t that bad, even if Edge sometimes does weird things.)
In my case, it is the default browser at my current company. I don't know the reasoning behind it, but we are also forced into Teams. Corporate requirements is my reason.
But for a windows domain environment Edge makes sense.
- Comes builtin, no need to patch browsers separately and worry about outdated Google Chrome installs in a 1000+ computer fleet.
- Integrates with Office 365 that the company already use/pay for.
- Can be managed with policy over Office 365 or Intune
- Has IE Enterprise Mode for the old apps that need IE11
For Teams, the alternative is this:
- Pay for Zoom AND Slack AND Office 365 AND have IT personell manage all 3
- Pay for Gsuite and use... hangouts?
or
- Just pay for Office 365 and get email, fileshare, office suite and chat/fileshare/video tool all in one that works "fine" and can be managed all in admin.microsoft.com (that goes into 500 different portals that all change each month but I digress...)
Oh, and you can use whatever browser, even if its not the default. I use Firefox but Edge is the default one.
There is a good reason why Trident is alive and kicking, people just don't know about it. But it's the reason for more than 98% of exploits, because shitty software of Microsoft still uses Trident to render MSHTML based documents (office etc).
The same will be true for a traffic-observing webview2, for decades to come. And it will never be removed again, because of Microsoft's development philosophy.
It seems that both had alleged collaborations with PRISM. The main difference I see between the two wiki articles, is that people complain about Microsoft's telemetry but not Apple's (even though they do have a lot of telemetry [1]).
In general it feels like Apple has won the trust of the public, partially through good products, partially through good marketing.
Windows 10 is a privacy disaster compared to previous versions of Windows. They track every single app and website you open, what files you have on your PC, and much more.
