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> So: it is legal for the FBI to call up a company and say what they think. And the company is free to act on that, or not, as they wish.

This makes me think of "the implication" in it's always sunny in philadephia.

FBI calls you up and tell you what they think, and you'll totally ignore FBI. Totally.

People hate Musk way too much that they are blind. If this was trump, the shitstorm would begin. It would be drummed up as the biggest scandal ever.



These companies are just as afraid, if not far more afraid, of "the implication" from other companies, namely their advertisers and sponsors, as well as influential individuals such as celebrity influencers who drive traffic for their sites. The G-men will have to get in line for Twitter bending over backwards to all of these interests. Threats to the bottom line are probably even more menacing than legal threats- and many of these businesses and individuals are just as litigious as the FBI, as well.

> FBI calls you up and tell you what they think, and you'll totally ignore FBI. Totally.

The OP literally says that's an option that certain companies have opted to do:

> An FBI agent just reached out with a key point about the “gross” subservience of Twitter before the FBI: “A lot of companies we deal with are adversarial to us. Like T-Mobile is totally adversarial. They love leaking things we're saying if we don't get our process right.” (1/2)

> “I feel like that’s the default position. People used to get mad about that in the Bureau, but — they're supposed to represent their clients and their customers. Why in the hell would you expect them to make it easy on you? Do the right thing. Do it the right way.”

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1603890210252668928

It sounds like Twitter was choosing to play nice with the feds, unless any evidence of coercion arises.


Not the companies who are afraid. It's the employees that are afraid of FBI.

This is like your bosses make sexual advances at you. The power dynamics would make you uncomfortable.


This is getting a bit ridiculous. I’ve interacted with FBI agents in the course of my employment, and it did not feel like sexual harassment. It was fine; they helped us with a security problem and we appreciated the help.


> they helped us with a security problem

You are getting more and more obtuse. You know this is not the same, but you still use it in your argument.

In this case, FBI asked for the location of the accounts that "Twitter will voluntarily provide to aid the FBI". Ref: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1604191731141984256

Why didn't FBI get a subpoena properly? why asking twitter to voluntarily provide information?

Were the FBI afraid of getting a subpoena for some reason?


The FBI asked us for server logs and we supplied them. No subpoena required if both parties agree.


> FBI calls you up and tell you what they think, and you'll totally ignore FBI. Totally.

So what are you saying? The government doesn't actually have a right to speak? Without some evidence of threats or coercion I don't see the problem.

> People hate Musk way too much that they are blind.

You think Musk would act any differently?

> If this was trump, the shitstorm would begin.

Not true.

https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-granted-requests-fro...


> The government doesn't actually have a right to speak? Without some evidence of threats or coercion I don't see the problem.

This is like saying employees have the right to reject when their bosses make sexual advances.

In theory, sure. In practice, not really. Employees fear for their careers

This is why it's such a big no even if employees have mutual romantic interests.

Same with the FBI. They can fuck up your life beyond repair if they want to.

Thus, "the implications"!


The main problem with your analogy is that sexual advances in a boss/employee power dynamic excludes many critical distinctions with respect to law enforcement vs a big tech company.

I'll concede that the big tech companies certainly have an incentive to comply with law enforcement because of their legal authority, however as we all know, big tech companies are well equipped in terms of political influence as well as powerful legal teams that ensure these companies don't have to do anything they don't want to if they're complying with the law, especially if law enforcement isn't issuing a legal command and is merely "telling you what they think".

> This is why it's such a big no even if employees have mutual romantic interests.

In all cases of boss vs subordinate there is a near total power asymmetry in favor of the boss unless the boss is egregiously abusive or retaliatory, and often times even that doesn't matter. A boss also never has a genuine business interest in making sexual advances, whereas law enforcement may have a genuine law enforcement interest in asking for a company's cooperation.


Let's just look at an example:

FBI asked for the location of the accounts that "Twitter will voluntarily provide to aid the FBI". Ref: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1604191731141984256

> whereas law enforcement may have a genuine law enforcement interest in asking for a company's cooperation.

Then, getting a subpoena shouldn't have been an issue since they have a genuine law enforcement interest. Judges would have an easy time signing the subpoena since this would be totally justified and reasonable. right? right?

Yet FBI decided not to do that and decided to ask Twitter to "volunteer" the information.




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