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The UK has had 4 unelected PMs since 1990, and dozens before that.

And as pointed out before, the UK is ahead of the EU in terms of surveillance. You even have to opt in with your ISP to watch porn.

The UK has hundreds of thousands of government CCTV cameras and they can comprehensively track your movements through the entire country.

The Brexit rhetoric was more about nationalism than anything else, it was marketed as "we don't want the EU telling us what to do", but that just played heavily into nationalism.

All that aside, if you think any major political system in the west, or indeed globally is safe from lobbying and major corruption you are wrong. Corporate and industrial influence is rife throughout, IMO. When was the last time you saw any significant legislation come through to give working-middle class any kind of help or upward mobility?

I am wandering from your initial point, but I am angry and frustrated with our rapid decline. We trashed our economies over COVID and we're now splooging billions of dollars into an un-winnable proxy war which escalates monthly.

All of this shit is done in the same vein as this surveillance proposal "think of the children", I mean how could you not think of the children?? How could you not think of your neighbour? How could you not think of your fellow Europeans? It's all built to socially shame and coerce us into terrible policy that ultimately puts us in the hole unable to get out.

Anyways, yes I have an axe to grind and probably have some stuff wrong here, but I am frustrated with my economic decline. It feels like the middle class is constantly being drained for the benefit of oligarch, war mongering liars.

Apologies for a reactionary derail, it's cathartic at least. Please feel free to tell me how I am wrong, I genuinely want to be corrected because I feel depressed with my perspective.




Absolutely, every government is absolutely a bunch of corrupted criminals.

Totally onboard. The thing is the more layers of corrupted politicians you put on top of people, the more theft and harassment you'll get from the aforementioned politicians and - surprise! - less accountability or ways to complain / protest.

Brexit actually damaged me personally, but I'm glad for the British people that they won't be subjected to the extra EU rules. The UK government is bad enough, they don't need EU bureaucrats on top.

I wouldn't wish it to my worst enemy.


But at least those are the fault of the UK government itself. The people have greater likelihood of being able to fix it than if they have to defer to the EU commission for compliance. Brexit is expensive in the short term, but, in the long term, the nation is much better off for having preserved some of their sovereignty.


> The UK has hundreds of thousands of government CCTV cameras and they can comprehensively track your movements through the entire country.

It's not a new thing either. 1984 was about Britain after all...


With the US govt. literally creating a Ministry of Truth[1], and no one batting an eyelid, 1984 is actually a reality.

Our media is compromised. The recent Pfizer scandal has been buried, NYT went to great lengths to dismiss it. The article was laughable.

The phrase "conspiracy theory" is slapped on any descent. We have lost our way while we sleep through social media. We follow the script or face social isolation.

10 years ago our current society would look like China, now the general pop is adopting that as a good thing.

We are fucked and it's going to take violence and death to claw back any sense of moral decency. No one wants that, and when all our wealth has been extracted we won't be able to compete with the robots that will keep us compliant.

I know this sounds crazy, but the writing is on the wall. I can see no reason it won't happen. Crazy shit becomes reality time after time and it's accelerating.

[1] https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3472878-joe-bidens-m...


"The UK has had 4 unelected PMs since 1990, and dozens before that."

It has had zero unelected PMs. Every single PM was elected by:

1. Members of their constituency. You have to be an MP to be a PM.

2. Members of their party (at least to some extent).

If you mean the UK doesn't use a presidential system then yes but so what, everyone knows that. It's normal, lots of countries use a parliamentary system.

"The Brexit rhetoric was more about nationalism than anything else, it was marketed as "we don't want the EU telling us what to do", but that just played heavily into nationalism."

Wanting decision makers to be accountable isn't nationalism, that's just normal support of democracy. Besides, this criticism is off base because the EU is a nationalist project. The EU has its own flag, its own currency, its own borders, even its own national anthem. It is in love with the idea of being a nation. Replacing the nations of Europe with a new nation called Europe is the goal of the project. It is and always has been a nationalist project, which uses "nationalism" as an insult to mean love of the existing nations rather than of itself.




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