Good, you all work 4 days and I’ll work my standard 6x10 6 days, 10hrs a day.
When people get fired presumably I’ll still be standing. When promotion time comes around, the person who does the most will get the promotion. When bonus time comes, I’ll have the most done.
You can try to regulate day(s), but if there’s people willing to work more they’ll set the standard.
What a clear example of one of Paulo Freire's best insights: "When education is not liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor."
Go on with your career ladder game, not everyone in humanity praise that as much as you. On the contrary, lots will see you as either naive or moronic.
Your 6x10 work schedule is being spent on creating... A chatbot.
> Go on with your career ladder game, not everyone in humanity praise that as much as you. On the contrary, lots will see you as either naive or moronic.
We can critique how I choose to spend my time, but what about the alternatives? Play video games with strangers? Drink and dance? Play board games with friends? Go to church / mosque every day? Walk down paths to see pretty streams? Smoke pot and watch cartoons? Strum a guitar for hours in a subway?
In my book, it’s not my place to judge others, provided no one is harming me. I think anyone can do what ever they’d like — have at it. Society needs different kinds of people.
For me, it’s about family.
I work probably 40-50hrs a week coding/architecting and 10-20hrs a week managing a farm [cows, hay, honey] (plus 2-3 weeks out of the year doing 12 hr day harvesting).
The rest of the time I’m with my family. That’s 4-7hrs every morning and a couple hours every evening. I see my kids more than most. Importantly, I’m providing for my children — I teach them what I know, help them grow and provide for their needs.
My ancestors gave me what I have and I personally believe I have a duty to live up to all I can be. Yes; that means working hard, building a legacy and leaving our civilization (hopefully) better than we received it.
Working less wouldn’t aid in my objectives. I want to be the best in my field. It wouldn’t help my family to be less / worse. What most people should really ask themselves are what’s their purpose. With purpose you can orient yourself appropriately.
> I work probably 40-50hrs a week coding/architecting and 10-20hrs a week managing a farm [cows, hay, honey] (plus 2-3 weeks out of the year doing 12 hr day harvesting).
So this isn't a 6 days a week x 10 hours in a job working through a promotion path. I'm unsure why you brought that up as a point before, it doesn't align to what you further exposed here.
Another point:
> You can try to regulate day(s), but if there’s people willing to work more they’ll set the standard.
Society will set the standard, not the ones who work more, society as a whole sets that. I'm originally from a society where working grueling 10-12 hours/day in an office is expected, the society I live now sees that as a major issue.
> Society will set the standard, not the ones who work more, society as a whole sets that.
Agree. I started to work in remote team even before pandemic hit. And I quite often see people extending their work hours late until the midnight or sometimes even on the weekends, because they want to "catch up". But its their choice and it doesnt normalise it in our organisation. Nobody is setting it as an example and there is no such expectation from us and I highly doubt that it would change anytime soon.
> That’s 4-7hrs every morning and a couple hours every evening. I see my kids more than most.
Besides the sibling comment pointing out that your original 6 x 10 framing is a misrepresentation, one could easily suppose that people who are working a normal 40/hrs a week is getting to spend more quality time with their children than those who are working 50/hrs a week, never mind 60/hrs a week. That is simple arithmetic.
When you're in your final years and you look back at your life, does anyone seriously think "I wish I had spent more hours at work"? I personally don't know a single case. However, "I wish I had had more time for..." is probably the norm.
Some of us actually like our jobs and find joy in what we work on. If you want single case it's me. I can look back at previous jobs and wish that I spent more time working making something even better, improving other people's lives more.
As someone managing a team of engineers, I would see this as a red flag and not something to praise. Promotions are not based on working such hours anywhere I have seen either. And similarly, that alone will not protect you from being laid off.
As someone who also managed, fair enough. I always measured by consistency. The engineers would commit and if they met their commitments they were usually good. Sometimes I’d have to nudge them one way or the other, but rarely did I see an issue.
For me personally, I enjoy committing to stretch myself. Leave it all on the field so-to-speak. I love my / our trade so it’s easy for me. I don’t expect it from others at that level.
When people get fired presumably I’ll still be standing. When promotion time comes around, the person who does the most will get the promotion. When bonus time comes, I’ll have the most done.
You can try to regulate day(s), but if there’s people willing to work more they’ll set the standard.