Quite easy actually when you look at the number of governments who rely on Matrix - https://element.io/case-studies/tchap, https://element.io/case-studies/bundeswehr and many more (US, UK, Sweden, Ukraine, Luxembourg, Finland…). But if your friends aren’t on it, i guess that means nothing.

> But if your friends aren’t on it, i guess that means nothing.

Well... yes, actually. Governments use a lot of things that don't have widespread adoption outside of governmental use cases.

If your goal is to build for that market -- for environments with very specific needs -- then you're doing a great job. But governmental use isn't the ringing endorsement that you seem to think, because it has no bearing on actual widespread adoption.

Back in the day, I used to use BBSes via local dial-up. Everyone did, so you could expect BBSes were on the rise from so much usage. Meanwhilr, governments were stuck on ArpaNet and futzing around with some newfangled "TCP/IP" protocol. What good does government support even provide???

His entire point is that Matrix went for and is in the process of getting the larger goal right for the sake of long-term adoption at the cost of development time -- whereas Signal opted for worst-is-better limited-scope pragmatism for the sake of near-term adoption.

Whatever lesson you want to derive from this technical trade-off is up to you, but yeah the psychobabble about Moxie is absolutely tiresome.