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Except for guitar amps - I think you underestimate how tribal and idiosyncratic the tone hounds can get.


I'm don't underestimate it at all. There's a certain warm tone that tubes produce. It's gentle in a sense. A DAC can be harsh.

A naive view point is that the analog output of an analog device is going to be smooth.

The digital output will add noise on the stair step transitions.

I'm not saying this is the case in reality. I'm just saying, it's useful to think about when dealing with analog vs digital signals.


“Warm tone” is just another name for gentler distortion, where non-linearities happen before the hard clip limit. It can be modeled pretty well digitally as long as the digital signal itself doesn’t clip, but I agree the real thing is best.


> There's a certain warm tone that tubes produce.

LOL, what? Tubes produce the distortion you hear in most branches of heavy metal, and iconic sounds throughout the whole spectrum of guitar rock.

In its raw form, it sounds awful; it has to be carefully shaped by filters, to remove high frequency "fizz" as well as annoying midrange frequencies to which the ear is sensitive. Even then, that filtered tone isn't something you could listen to via hi-fi equipment or record directly; it is amplified into certain kinds of cabinets with certain kinds of speakers. After all that, some people still hate it. :)


> In its raw form, it sounds awful

Not really, and it isn't just warmth. The distortion is a unique pattern of simple and monotonically decaying series of harmonics, dominated by moderate levels of second harmonic. This is probably why most find it pleasing.


I think you're talking about very small amounts of it there. As the tube circuit goes into deeper saturation with more gain, it quickly becomes very brittle and displeasing. What keeps the harmonics moderate is low-pass filtering.


You've clearly never listened to Fleetwood Mac on a tube stereo. It's not harsh. It's not perfect, but it is warm.


I love my tube stereo. It would take an expensive solid-state amp to get close to its character, and it glows like a little fireplace :)

Side note - I have a hunch that the term “warm” was coined unconsciously. It’s not the actual sound; it’s the sound characteristic of warm glowing tubes, the sound of electricity fizzing through hot metal.


For a few hundred bucks, second hand, I can get a distortion-free sound-reinforcement amplifier, that can pump something like 600W per channel into a 4 Ohm load.

The equivalent all tube amp would require a line of credit from the bank, and would need to be on wheels.

To inject pleasing tube distortion into it, which I could turn on and off easily, I could put two inexpensive tube pedals in front of its inputs, like these:

https://www.amazon.com/TC-Electronic-Tube-Overdrive-Pilot/dp...


My stereo is 15 watts (through the tubes, but still) - RIP your ears. Agreed that circuits in the preamp stage make the vast majority of the difference.


Well, my amp is not in any of emulators so I have my excuse. But I kinda like single purpose of dedicated amplifier


I like analog hardware mostly because of the knobs, but there is also a nice spiritual connection to the sound energy.

Note that a solid-state amp can still be analog, transistors vs. tubes is distinct from analog vs. digital. Analog solid-state amps can make fantastic sounds, but transistors are much better at staying linear until they clip, so the transitions to nonlinearity/distortion are abrupt and the crunchy tone is less “warm”.




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