This entire discussion is full of very interesting facts and just useless opinions.
what's a better way to run an economy? every consumer of food goes out into the fields to pick what they will eat? Or there are specialized pickers who pick the food and drop it off in bulk near the people who will eat it? And on the other end of that process, should we all dig our own latrines? Or have a toilets+sewer system run by professionals?
cobalt is a commodity product. when you melt chunks of cobalt together, you can't tell where the cobalt came from any more. Who give a shit how Apple handles its cobalt? If it's doing it on a large scale, economics will dictate what is cost effective because how the economy handles cobalt is actually important, but how individual players do is completely unimportant. If it's important how certain waste is handled, yes, set up waste streams so that experts can make sure all the parts of an old phone are handled, don't as laypeople discuss the cobalt separately from the lithium, lead, etc.
I'm just pointing it out because for a community of people who take smug self-assurance in both their technical prowess and ability to be rational and unswayed by emotion, you all know fuck-all about economics, wear your <3 recycling hearts on your sleeves, and have your heads in your asshats.
Being drawn in to this discussion, you've most-all been bamboozled by PR/marketing despite all your ad-blockers and sophistication. If we've agreed that specialists will pick and deliver the food, it's interesting to learn about it, yes, but do we need to hear how each other feels about that?
what's a better way to run an economy? every consumer of food goes out into the fields to pick what they will eat? Or there are specialized pickers who pick the food and drop it off in bulk near the people who will eat it? And on the other end of that process, should we all dig our own latrines? Or have a toilets+sewer system run by professionals?
cobalt is a commodity product. when you melt chunks of cobalt together, you can't tell where the cobalt came from any more. Who give a shit how Apple handles its cobalt? If it's doing it on a large scale, economics will dictate what is cost effective because how the economy handles cobalt is actually important, but how individual players do is completely unimportant. If it's important how certain waste is handled, yes, set up waste streams so that experts can make sure all the parts of an old phone are handled, don't as laypeople discuss the cobalt separately from the lithium, lead, etc.
I'm just pointing it out because for a community of people who take smug self-assurance in both their technical prowess and ability to be rational and unswayed by emotion, you all know fuck-all about economics, wear your <3 recycling hearts on your sleeves, and have your heads in your asshats.
Being drawn in to this discussion, you've most-all been bamboozled by PR/marketing despite all your ad-blockers and sophistication. If we've agreed that specialists will pick and deliver the food, it's interesting to learn about it, yes, but do we need to hear how each other feels about that?