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> It's insane that a billion-dollar company like Meta actually felt proud to release such a steaming pile of trash.

Can you name a better product in the price-bracket?



If you have a product that's 5x as good, but 2x as expensive, literally everyone will buy it. The iPhone is the perfect case study.


If you’re comparing the Quest 2 to the Vision Pro, it seems more like 2x as good for 5x the price.


Based on the hands-on impressions I’ve read it sounds significantly more than twice as good.

Five times the price, yeah. Today. This really feels like a product aimed at developers right now not the mass market yet.

Which fits. The iPhone took a few years to really take off. The Apple Watch took a few years to really takeoff.


Has Apple ever released a Developer Edition product before?


They've had developer units but not a publicly released one as far as I know.

When Apple TV was being developed they were handing them out to devs for free like they had millions they were trying to get rid of. I was a lowly single app creator and they happily sent me one.

For the Intel to M1 migration they did something similar but required them to be returned this time, and limited which devs they sent them out to.


Yes, sort of.

The first Intel Mac and the first ARM Mac were DTKs: Developer Transition Kits.

You’d buy them from Apple at a reduced price, could use them to get your software running, and then had to give them back when the real hardware was released.

There was nothing similar for the watch, iPad, or iPhone though.


Yeah the Intel Macs. I think you had to return them?


11 times the price


...if you are in the US. Outside US iPhones are nowhere nearly as popular. In many markets Android phones have about 90% of the market share


> Outside US iPhones are nowhere nearly as popular. In many markets Android phones have about 90% of the market share

In my opinion, with the possible exception of South Korea, that is purely a matter of apple's global pricing vs local purchasing power and a huge number of those android users would have an iPhone if they could afford it.


> a huge number of those android users would have an iPhone if they could afford it.

I don't think that's true. Samsung flagship phones cost the same as iphones (at least in the UK) and they sell very well here.


I believe they were referring to the original iPhone compared to the other “smartphones“ of the day.

Not todays market, which has evolved.




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