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That the definition changes only affects arguments about the type of gun. Low-count definitions correlate assault-style rifles that California has tried to ban. High-count definitions correlate with handguns.

You started with school shootings, singling out California. Texas is by far more prone to mass shootings and I wager statistically equal to California per-capita.

Hawaii has nearly-as-strict gun laws as California but incomparably lower violence by any measure. It’s a better example of your argument. The linked mental health web site ranks it at 7.

On the other hand, the death toll in undisputed mass shootings has skyrocketed since the defeat of the assault weapons ban.



the Hawaii example imo just shows that gun laws work better when they are broadly implimented. to get a gun to Hawaii you need to fly somewhere to buy it. to get one to California, you can just drive to Nevada


More causes than an assault weapons ban. The harm of the COVID lockdowns, Zooming classes, social unrest and division over some real and some social media-induced idiocy, decline of the family, mental health issues, lax criminal prosecution, riots called 'peaceful demonstration', etc. I met a 24-year-old the other day and told them I was in Saudi Arabia and they asked me, "What's that? I never heard of that." I am raising a second set of children. My older children did great, even through some of this idiocy. I am very vigilent with my younger children. I have had a gun since I was eleven years old, and I grew up in Brooklyn, NY. I learned to shoot and handle firearms with respect and safety and shot competitively against the likes of West Point and other military schools and organizations. If you want strict gun control, highest camera surveillance, and police stop and search without suspicion, move to China or England (in the top 10 after China). I'll keep my right to bear arms. I don't keep a gun ready for home protection. I could get it ready in a relatively short time in case of societal upheaval or disorder, if needed, to protect my family. Better to have it than to not have it in those circumstances. 54% of all gun violence deaths are suicides. Another portion are police shooting criminals for self-defense or citizens protecting themselves against criminals. And most younger homicides occur in the 17 to 19-year-old age group due to gang violence. Mass shootings are horrific by their very nature, but not the norm. Stabbing deaths and injuries are more common in Europe than in the Americas[1]. And this is rising. China has no right to have firearms, but they do not share stabbings data. It is estimated to be high based on some news and data released, but cannot be verified.

[1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-...




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