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Everyone thinks inclusion is bullshit until they're the ones being excluded. Talk to some older devs and you might learn they've latterly come see the value in "bullshit" HR policies against discrimination.


DEI usually translates to "D>E>I" in such organizations. DEI personnel are far too often the bullies, not the bullied.


that interesting, are there any good examples of this?

(i'm not too familiar with dei stuff, so 'im having hard time to understand how the D diversity part ends up with the bullies?)


If you're not too familiar, then it will be difficult to explain it on a comment.

At a high level, DEI functions as a trojan horse. Under the unobjectionable guise of universal values : "diversity, equal-ness, inclusivity', it peddles specific political values.

It replaces the 'dont-ask-dont-tell' corporate era with a politicized atmosphere where silence is considered opposition. Diversity in color, but not in opinions. Diversity for census tracked metrics, and none for the rest. Marketed as equality of opportunity, but enforced as equity in outcomes. Inclusivity of every archetype found on a private-American-university-campus and judgement towards everything else.

Just as Tobacco companies have the highest ranked sustainability scores, the DEI-iest companies are often the most oppressive in demanding a certain kind of conformity. The most insidious part of DEI initiatives, is that their concerns are forever biased towards optics rather than real world impact.

I don't blame their inability to create both diverse and inclusive spaces. D & I cannot co-exist. Just as a dish with every ingredient is an allergy death device; A workplace where diverse opinions on personal matters are entertained will feel potently offensive. Such a space cannot feel inclusive. Similarly, E & E cannot co-exist. Equality and equity are diametrically opposed to each other.

America is a divided country and global MNC employees are folks from an even more divided world. People in such a workplace will inevitably disagree on fundamental aspects of society.

In the midst of this confusion the university hires self-proclaimed DEI experts with political aspirations, who ask you to read XKendi and Robin DiAngelo. If you want to properly understand the specific political school of thought DEI advocates for, you should read their books. I have read both and have strong opinions of a flavor that I bet you can guess. But, I'll let you make the judgement for yourself.


FYI DEI rarely includes ageism.


Nor class.

Ironically, at least in the UK, the majority of those who work in DEI are middle and upper class university graduates.


Most students in the UC system are youngish. Ageism is just a relevant example because it's one that many straight, white male developers will eventually face first-hand.

I've observed peers who were historically dismissive of "special treatment" (aka antidiscrimination measures) for women and members of underrepresented racial groups develop an case of late-onset empathy once they find themselves on the other side of that "not a good culture-fit" line.


That's an interesting observation.

Here's a thought... after growing up in a culture that tells them that no one is special and that everyone's just out on their own to fend for themselves, they're bombarded with this firm an unrelenting message that some do deserve special treatment and that it's only fair. But they're not included.

And then, when something unfair happens to them, and they hint that maybe they deserve this special treatment too, they're told to "fuck off, go eat shit and die patriarchy!".

I wonder why they're so keen to watch Fox News in retirement. Some mysteries we'll never figure out, I suppose.


> Ageism is just a relevant example because it's one that many straight, white male developers will eventually face first-hand.

Another way to experience discrimination is to cycle on the roads for a few months, especially anywhere motorists aren’t used to it.

I am not talking about people who endanger your life accidentally, You get heckled, mocked, threatened, etc.


Even “rarely” is generous. I’ve never seen it.


Doesn’t the fact that we still have ageism mean these policies don’t work? Also it’s already illegal to discriminate in the basis of age >40 so why do we even need “policies” in the first place?

I always find it weird when the argument for more regulations is that the current regulations are ineffective.


That doesn’t mean they need 400 of them…


But many of us are.




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