> But people who are more technical know it's a bit of a faff and bother to get Google to spit out what you're actually looking for, outside of "who is Chloe Grace Moretz" or something equally banal.
I typed "Joey Hess" into Google.
The author's blog pops up as the first result, presumably because it hasn't been deindexed yet. The first page of results also includes his GitHub and an HN comment talking about him that links me to his Patreon. The search results are, I would say, very relevant and very good.
I think these claims that Google is useless are coming from people who aren't even trying to use it.
That will return the website as a first result (I run https://www.lfgss.com/ )... but no description or metadata. Lots of tangential results talking about it... the first result is more like a shadow profile, a more fact an exact domain match exists but nothing more.
Two months ago I had almost 7 million pages indexed from that site.
For this community, it was their objection to their content being used to train AI that caused them to request me (the owner / admin) to exclude bots. I surveyed more widely, presented arguments in a balanced way, then when the result was overwhelming I hard blocked all known bots and useragents and pretty much everything that looks like a bot and user agent.
It's early anecdata, but sign-up rates have not been impacted at all.
Several other communities I've run have taken similar decisions.
Defensively with the UK Online Security Bill some of the other communities I run are considering similar things.
Feels like the end of an era, communities seeking to protect themselves from external threats, and search engines providing as little value as search pre-Google.
> Feels like the end of an era, communities seeking to protect themselves from external threats, and search engines providing as little value as search pre-Google.
IMO this is inevitable. It's why countries have borders: resources are limited, and access to those resources needs to be moderated. That's true whether you're a country or a server admin.
We already apply this principle to bandwidth in the form of DDOS mitigation. Some forums/social media spaces apply it to moderation capacity in the form of requiring invites.
We're slowly learning that the same thing applies to information. Which sounds ridiculous in an age where you can drown in information overload, but personal information is obviously a precious resource (judging from what advertisers are willing to pay to leverage it) and even content we write like comments on articles take some time and thought to produce even if we've grown accustomed to sharing it freely and voluntarily. Now we're growing more cautious about sharing even that when we see others exploiting it for purposes other than its intended use case.
This is also why I'm arguing that social media content should in general have a legal license attached to it, so that use in violation of the license can be prosecuted. CC is probably a good general starting point. I think most people have the assumption that their social media content/comments can be shared only non-commercially (opinions may differ on attribution), with an exception for the site that hosts the content (which may in fact actually give itself broader permissions in the EULA).
Let me take the opportunity to thank you. This is a rather amazing forum. Kudos to you for listening to what the community wanted. This is probably my all-time favorite thread: https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/172374/
"Useless" isn't accurate, but "not nearly as good as it used to be" sure is. At least in my experience.
PageRank was brilliant, and worked as expected. It's now been superceded by... whatever is going on over in Googleland. Some of which isn't Google's fault, per se; the Internet is a lot bigger now than it was two decades ago. Some of it is. Their entire profit model depends on people using Google in a way orthogonal to "search and find and move on," as it was back in the 00s. People pay Google to game Google results. No corporation is going to overlook that.
are you referring to ads? cuz Im not aware of a way to pay Google to game search and it doesn't make any sense. Is there some dark alley in Mountain View where I can drop off a bag of cash? to game the search? Really curious now.
The problem with Google is people professionalizing gaming the algorithm because of the huge incentives to do so. I don't think it's Google's fault and I think the problem is hard or they would have fixed it.
I typed "Joey Hess" into Google.
The author's blog pops up as the first result, presumably because it hasn't been deindexed yet. The first page of results also includes his GitHub and an HN comment talking about him that links me to his Patreon. The search results are, I would say, very relevant and very good.
I think these claims that Google is useless are coming from people who aren't even trying to use it.