And the redwood process is in production since last year with so "no such process has been implemented yet" is just a blatant lie. Quantities are modest because number of BEV being scrapped is tiny due to their yound age.

Article you cite is from 2019, we're in 2023 in case you don't know.

And the BEV world moves really fast.

You should just stop continuously spreading FUD about BEV in all HN discussions, this is boring...

Also, the battery chemistries and pack structure are wildly different between different cars. One of the reasons why lead-acid batteries are recycled is because they’re always the same design. But it’s the Wild West in the BEV world. Nothing is the same between any two car models. How the recycling process could even work is not at all explained.

We heard this story before with plastic recycling. But then we found out that only pristine plastics can be recycled. The rest is just trash. In the li-ion battery world, you’re guaranteed to get a giant mishmash of different chemicals and metals in the end. It’s almost literally just battery shrapnel because they have to grind it all up to get at the metals. So it sounds a lot like the stories of plastic recycling.

Here is what the DOE experts think about scaling up battery recycling with a cool 2 billions dollars:

https://www.energy.gov/lpo/articles/lpo-offers-conditional-c...

"Redwood Materials will use both new and recycled feedstocks—comprised of critical materials like lithium, nickel, and cobalt—to produce approximately 36,000 metric tons per year of ultra-thin battery-grade copper foil for use as the anode current collector, and approximately 100,000 metric tons per year of cathode active materials"

"At full production capacity, the project’s anode copper foil and cathode active material output is anticipated to support the production of more than 1 million EVs per year,"

And this is only for one plant...

I'll believe any time DOE experts to judge wether an existing proven process is scalable or not over a continously FUD spreading forum poster.

And for your information lead-acid batteries are not all the same, see various electrolytes in AGM (fibers...), Gel, ...

There's no evidence anything of significance being recycled. All of this is projections of future recycling achievements.

Like I said, it's the same story as plastic recycling. No one should believe any of the claims made.

AGM and gel lead-acid batteries are recycled in a separate pathway compared to flooded lead-acid batteries. This is okay because there aren't that many variations and the chemistry is basically the same. Li-ion batteries on the other are effectively hundreds of different chemistries spread across many different packaging methods. It is a complexity nightmare and no one has given any answer as to how it will all be solved.

Evidence about recycling taking place has been given multiple times, you just choose to ignore it.

Ah then there's different lead acid battery recycling methods, you said the contrary in the post above ...

And since you obviously didn't read or learn anything about lithium battery recycling you make a fool of yourself.

Again, no evidence that this recycling is happening at scale. And given the enormous complexity of the problem, something no one has even bothered analyzing, it seems unlikely to be solvable anytime soon.

At this point, I can just proclaim that plastic recycling is 95% effective with the same amount of evidence. You’d have no choice but to believe me on this since you already believe the same thing about li-ion batteries.