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>but will it be maintained overall with all factors considered?

Is a straight up death count not enough for you? Like seriously, there are few less ambigious outcomes in biostatistics than mortality. And by that measure, yes, short hard lockdowns with long term international border closures absolutely worked.

If you are implying mental health, then maybe consider being able to live your life without fear before the vaccines was a great way to maintain mental health. Also, not having anyone you know die of the virus (this is still true for most Australians including myself).




The big confounding variable is being an island. Yes I'm aware Australia isn't technically an island. Technically SK isn't either, but it might as well be

Look at the stats for the US. The state of Hawaii has absolutely astoundingly low COVID deaths. The island of Alameda (note: this is not the same as Alameda county) has extremely low COVID deaths.


> Is a straight up death count not enough for you?

As opposed to what? And on what timescale? How can you be so absolutely sure that the numbers are what you think they are? That the counter-factual would have absolutely produced the death tolls you think they would? And how can you be so sure that the deaths that did happen weren't just more spread out and delayed, rather than averted? And at the end of the day, how can you be sure that suicides, and other missed medical procedures and tests won't result in greater long term deaths and suffering than would otherwise have been.

In short, you're way more sure than you should be. You don't seem to have an ounce of doubt that you've assessed the situation correctly, or have been misinformed intentionally or otherwise. You have the faith of a true believer, rather than the measured skepticism of a scientist.


Your reply could’ve been done without a personal attack.


I am sorry. I don't have any personal animosity toward you. I am personally just very frustrated with the conversation around covid, and the absolute fervor of belief and uncritical support in general there is around the dominant narrative.

And it's not your fault, but I have endured a lot of personal attack and hardship for a few years now, because I simply asked questions.




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