> So at some point (which may have already happened) nuclear is just going to be a bad faith argument.

When nuclear (and other forms of fuel) stop providing base loads when main types of renewables don't work (aka a night with no wind), then this will have happened.

Storage can handle the base load.

If the sun doesn’t rise one day… we have bigger problems.

Still not having heard of clouds, eh?

you know solar still works even through clouds right?

Sure they “work” if you don't expect them to actually produce power…

No, they work anywhere from 80 to 20% efficiency depending on the density of the cloud. But the vast majority of cloud cover is obviously the less dense kind (dense kind falls out of the sky). So you could say 60% efficiency on a typical overcast day.

I mean, why to even bother with facts when you can pull numbers from your b*tt…

In most countries, during most seasons and on most hours of the day you don't even get 80% efficiency on a sunny day! Heck, even in the most sunny deserts, the average daytime efficiency of a solar panel is barely 60%…

But yeah sure in fantasy land solar panels give you a daily average 80% efficiency on a cloudy day…

I think you are only referring to Europe when you say most countries. 80% efficiency is very common. In most countries near equator and south of the equator, and United States.

And I said 60% average on a cloudy day.

> And I said 60% average on a cloudy day.

If you live in fantasyland where the “average on a cloudy day” is in fact the the value that exists in the Mojave desert, then sure…

No, this is the average across all land mass. You get where the majority of land mass is right? (Hint: not Northern Europe)

No it's not.

But maybe you're forgetting that days aren't 12 hours of noon.

Maybe the “average at noon, including sunny and cloudy days, across landmass is 60%”, but that's very much not the same thing as “the average on a cloudy day is 60%”…

Average across all days across all land mass. It’s never a cloudy day across all land mass… so it averages out. I’m confused you aren’t following here

> It’s never a cloudy day across all land mass…

But then again, how does that relate to your previous points:

> you know solar still works even through clouds right?

> So you could say 60% efficiency on a typical overcast day.

We were talking about the impact of clouds on a particular spot, and now you're telling me that you're counting the average across landmass because it's never cloudy everywhere in the world…

I suppose it means you retract your previous statements about solar panels working well even in the presence of clouds?

Trolololol

Well, here we are.