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Diffractive Solar Sail (wikipedia.org)
45 points by volemo on Nov 3, 2023 | hide | past | favorite | 16 comments



The Wikipedia article lists several advantages relative to reflective solar sails, but there's also a major disadvantage not mentioned. A reflected photon imparts twice its momentum to the solar sail, whereas a diffracted photon imparts only a small portion of its momentum. The overall thrust would therefore be much lower than a reflective solar sail. The fact that "photons can be reused... by passing through a second diffraction grating for more thrust" is not an advantage but rather a testament to the lower efficiency of the diffractive sail.

Perhaps that's offset by the other advantages, but this is not clear.


I'm not sure that's necessarily the case.

A reflected photon can only impart half of its momentum before it's barreling off away from you.

Several layers of diffractive sails would seem to be able to (at least theoretically) exceed that.


A reflected photon imparts twice its momentum.


Momentum was the wrong word, but it feels like layers of diffraction could red shift the light more, absorbing more energy out of each photon.


… which just heats up the sail.

To move, you want to absorb momentum, not energy.


Correct as per Newtonian physics, bit shit gets weird when you go quantum :)


At the scale of individual particles, heat is movement.


Heat is random movement. Infrared photons go in random directions, not the direction wanting to go. Some go in the wrong direction.

Reflection means solar sail goes in direction you want to go.


The light reflected from a mirror is already red-shifted due to the velocity of the mirror.


Which is why I said red shift more.


I'm always caught off guard whenever I see Rochester Institute of Technology (RIT) or the City of Rochester in general mentioned anywhere. I just don't expect it. I know Rochester is a former U.S. Boomtown and has a major historical presence in the U.S. but with the great leaps other cities made in Rochester's decline I don't jump to the idea of seeing Rochester mentioned unless it is about lasers.

That being said, Rochester is an up and coming city and I say that more emphatically with each passing year. Pittsburgh is a great case study, but when combined with a Great Lake, quality of life, infrastructure for big business (including the people and schools who are still there), and the talent that closely surrounds the city on all sides (Boston, NYC, Toronto, Chicago, Pittsburgh), future growth is inevitable.



RIT is a very good school.


It's interesting, but there's no reason you can't do both reflection and diffraction. A refractive grating allows most light to pass through, but reflective gratings use smaller (sometimes less than half wavelength) steps/spacings to diffract different wavelengths.

What is interesting to me is that you should be able to stretch the grating (as well as rotate relative to perpendicular incidence) to change the effective periodicity/wavelength, and also what effect that would actually have (on angle and efficiency).

Perhaps one advantage of refracting diffraction is that blue light (with the largest momentum) might bend to larger angles? But that would also depend on the grating size/angle. A rotating grating with a blaze angle might allow the most flexibility.


Stupid question, where does the energy comes from?

With reflection, I see how you can harvest energy through red-shift (the reflected photon ends up with a lower frequency after it bounces due to Doppler effect, which means it lost energy and gave it to the sail as kinetic energy), but here I don't really understand were the energy comes from.


It's momentum transfer from deflecting (diffracting) the light through an angle. Similarly, any photon would be slightly red-shifted after hitting the surface whether it goes through or reflects off.




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