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Cigarette use is plummeting in the west.


Meat eating should also plummet if meat eating is banned in restaurants and there’s a minimum meat eating age that increases a year at a time. Bonus if there’s a health insurance question about meat eating and special meat taxes.

There is no societal structure to disincentivize meat eating. Social pressure from vegetarians (which is so very slight) and logical arguments are the only thing we’ve got. Tradition, convenience, identity, and preferences are all arrayed against the reasonable thing.

For now meat consumption is probably going to be somewhat inversely correlated to meat prices, as per usual.


It is difficult to ban something that has been an integral part of a culture for centuries.

But societal attitudes can change quite quickly. For example, homosexuality has gone from being illegal, to being tolerated and now (I think for a lot of people in the UK) pretty much a non-issue in 50 years.


I'd expect change to come either from stronger regulation of agriculture that makes it much harder to produce meat, or if that's not introduced, from huge food shortages after desertification and other climate change effects become more pronounced.

As long as meat is produced in sufficient quantity and at prices consumers can afford, I don't expect huge change from them.


In fairness it has been dropping, eg https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58831636

Here’s hoping a tipping point is reached soon


I think that's what the person above was saying already, just that it's a surprise that many intelligent people still prioritise tradition over the logical arguments.


How much is vaping taking up the slack?

Here in the UK it seems that cigarettes have to be hidden from view in a 'drawer of shame' while vapes are in left clear view. I'm not sure why vapes seem to be getting an easier ride than cigarettes. Are vapes any less harmful than cigarettes? Apart from the effects on health they create a lot more waste. Also some vapes seem to be clearly marketed to children.

(Disclaimer: I have never smoked or vaped, so it isn't a subject I know much about. Please enlighten me.)




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