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What are the odds Sam can work the phones this weekend and have $10B lined up by Monday for a new AI company which will take all of the good talent from OpenAI?



I definitely believe he can raise a lot of money quickly, but I'm not sure where he'll get the talent, at least the core modeling talent. That's Ilya's lane, and I get the sense that group are the true believers in the original non-profit mission.

But I suspect a lot of the hires from the last year or so, even in the eng side, are all about the money and would follow sama anywhere given what this signals for OpenAIs economic future. I'm just not sure such a company can work without the core research talent.


Lol. There are ambitious people working at openai in Ilya's lane that will jump at the opportunity. Nobody owns any lanes.


ooh, lanes... the Microsoft internal buzz-word that got out of fashion a couple of years ago is making a comeback outside of Microsoft....


Ilya Sutskever, the head scientist at OpenAI, is allegedly who organized the 'shuffle.' So you're going to run into some issues expecting the top talent to follow Sam. And would many people want to get in on a new AI development company for big $$$ right now? From my perspective the market is teetering towards oversaturation, there are no moats, zero-interest rates are a thing of the past, and the path to profit is nebulous at best.


Other than having a big mouth what has HE done? As far as I can find, the actual engineering and development was done NOT by him, while he was parading around telling people they shouldn't WFH, and schmoozing with government officials


Why would the good talent leave? Are they all a "family" and best buddies with Sam?


My guess is that at least some of them are worried about shipping products and making profit, and agreed with the growth faction?


Perhaps they don’t want to work for a board of directors which is openly hostile to the work they’re doing?


The boarded sided with the chief scientist and co-founder of OpenAI in an internal dispute. How does that show hostility to the work OpenAI is doing?


Ilya is pushing the unsafe AGI narrrative to stop public progress and make OpenAI more closed and intentionally slow to deliver. There are definitely people who are not sold by this.


I don't think wanting to make sure that their technology doesn't cause harm equates to being hostile to the work itself.


That would seem based on the individuals motivation at the end of the day...

It's easy to imagine two archetypes

1) The person motivated to make AGI and make it safe.

2) The person motivated to make AGI at any cost and profit from it.

It seems like OpenAI may be pushing for type 1 at the moment, but the typical problem with capitalism is it will commonly fund type 2 businesses. Who 'wins' really breaks down to if there are more type 1 or 2 people and the relative successes of each.


Not at OAI or some researcher, but I‘d be in an archetype 3:

I‘d do anything I can to make true AGI a reality, without safety concerns or wanting to profit from it.


Perhaps they didn't like the work they were doing? If they're experts in the field, they may have preferred to continue to work on research. Whereas it sounds like Sam was pushing them to work on products and growth.


Because they want stock options for a for-profit company.


A lot of them have already left this morning. idk for sure why but a good bet is that they are more on board with Sam's vision of pushing forward AI than the safetyist vision.


What fraction?


I'm guessing he has verbal commitments already.


> Sequoia, was independently in contact with Microsoft to encourage it to work to restore Altman and Brockman, according to a source with knowledge of the matter. The firm would support Altman whichever option he chose, the source added.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2023/11/18/openai-in...


And then?

Training data is more restricted now, hardware is hard to get, fine tuning needs time.


First two problems are easily solved with money


Money doesn't magically create hardware, it takes time to produce it


99% with the 1% being it is actually $20-30B


Honestly? If even a tenth of Sam’s reported connectedness / reality distortion field are true to life… very good odds.




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