which sucks bc nextcloud is an ugly, heavyweight beast of a suite to run. whereas roundcube i'm happy running it on my lightweight el cheapo VPS.

Nextcloud looks clunky but it certainly isn't heavyweight

Isn't it PHP based. I worry about anything written in that turd of a language.

I guess you still think about PHP when it was version 3 or 4... we're at version 8.3 now and it's definitely not the same thing. Both for language and performance.

I remember looking at some new features and was so hopeful the language would get better but they had some super cargo culty take on something borrowed from another language that completely missed the point. It's a horribly done me too language where the developers don't fully understand what they are "me too"ing.

7.0 had some issues so bad it's almost impossible to find anymore. Seems like they tried to erase it from the internet. The language itself is an attack vector.

But so is Roundcube.

OT: please (re)read the HN Guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

You saying I'm flamebaiting? I doubt anyone is going to be offended by PHP being trash, especially anyone that has spent any serious time working with it.

What?

You said "i'm happy running it on my ...vps."

And now "Then I wouldn't use Roundcube either." So you're not running roundcube then?

Also, love how you said you loved roundcube because it works on "lightweight el cheapo VPS", and then backtracked once you found out it uses PHP.

I think you think I'm someone else.

You're correct, I'll retract my statement.

Both start with coll/cooll, I've got to increase my zoom apparently.

Honestly it's a mistake I would make too.

Heavyweight? I run it (with all the collab suite features, photo galleries, and ai integrations) on a single RPi4 along with several other applications. But then I only have a handful of users...