I just can't see a coherent line of discussion here. What I see is a set line of conclusions that you want to support. Few of which really directly apply to the claims of this thread.
Worse, even if your stance is predicated on all actors in the area being evil, there is a certain level you have to ignore to not see the cartoonish quality of "Death to America" and to equivocate them with others in the area is borderline insulting.
And again, if you can't bring positive reasons to support one group, decrying "look at how evil everyone else is" is a deflection. You are refusing to actually engage with the declared evil intentions of one, by forcing a discussion on implied evil intentions of others.
> I just can't see a coherent line of discussion here. What I see is a set line of conclusions that you want to support. Few of which really directly apply to the claims of this thread.
I spelled out for you what I would consider to be the best course of action for all parties. I'm not really sure what else I can do.
> Worse, even if your stance is predicated on all actors in the area being evil, there is a certain level you have to ignore to not see the cartoonish quality of "Death to America"
I don't have any issue with someone chanting "Death to America". In some parts of the world I can understand that level of hatred for the USA. I totally think their antisemitism is abhorrent however. To quote Col. Kurtz:
"We train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won't allow them to write "f**" on their airplanes because it's obscene!"
We aid Saudi Arabia dropping bombs on them from the sky, I can't be too offended when their slogan is "death to the USA".
> to equivocate them with others in the area is borderline insulting.
Qatar has a population made up of 80% slaves. Israel was founded on ethnic displacement and is an apartheid state with no human rights, and is actively doing a genocide right now. The extremist elements in Israel are actively in power. I consider them to be the Jewish equivalent of US white nationalists. I don't think I need to list out the human rights violations of every country in order to make the point that all states are immoral.
> And again, if you can't bring positive reasons to support one group, decrying "look at how evil everyone else is" is a deflection.
I don't support groups, I support moral actions (Not that my opinion matters in the great scheme of things), but the course of action should not be about supporting the team that you think is less bad, but exploiting the relationships between the immoral states to achieve the least violent and most just outcome.
> You are refusing to actually engage with the declared evil intentions of one, by forcing a discussion on implied evil intentions of others.
The evil intentions of USA and Israel are not implied, they are stated and then acted on. You can listen to Netanyahu directly state his plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza under the protection of the US. You can also hear Joe Biden verbatim say "if there was no Israel in the middle east we would have to invent one. Why? Because it is in our own naked self interest."
I think genocide and the funding of a genocide are evil. I also think Islamic terrorism is evil. However there is a path forward that involves all of the players communicating with each other to minimize bloodshed and maximize justice.
My intention has not been to apply whataboutisms to the Houthis, but to make the point that you have to be realistic and approach situations as they are, not as you wish they were. In my opinion, under this framework, the US will need to negotiate with the Houthis and stop Israel's genocide if they want to solve this problem in the best way possible.
Worse, even if your stance is predicated on all actors in the area being evil, there is a certain level you have to ignore to not see the cartoonish quality of "Death to America" and to equivocate them with others in the area is borderline insulting.
And again, if you can't bring positive reasons to support one group, decrying "look at how evil everyone else is" is a deflection. You are refusing to actually engage with the declared evil intentions of one, by forcing a discussion on implied evil intentions of others.