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Let's see.

China, destroyed whole of things during "Cultural Revolution". "Cool and traditional" you see there is just there as a tourist attraction.

Countless ancient sites and artifacts were destroyed during the Syrian civil war.

Egypt...they literally created art destruction before Christianity and then Christianity really speed things up. Look up "Pharaonic Iconoclasm". Then there was take two in 13-14th centuries. Many monuments were destroyed to reuse materials.

Nearly every country that was under communism rule long enough had their heritage destroyed.

Too lazy to lookup Chile and Greece, but I bet Greece would be a pretty different relationship with its past if KKE won.

While Brits did steal a lot, can't argue that they did preserve plenty.



Your defense of British colonialism stealing art is that it preserved culture?

I think that a lot more culture would have been preserved without British colonial genocides.


Yeah, but that's living culture. They only preserve the artifacts, so it all balances out or something.


If China wants to destroy their cultural heritage, that's their right. Same with Syria, Egypt, India, Africa, wherever. No one owes colonizers the gift of their heritage, culture or artifacts.

Sure, the British preserved plenty, but that isn't relevant when none of it was theirs to preserve.


In the case of Syria, it wasn't a conscious choice, it was their civil war. Specifically, it was ISIS doesn't care about any of that cultural heritage, but many other people still do. Why should the most destructive attitude overrule all others?

In many other cases, it was a dictatorship trying to amp up their perceived legitimacy by destroying traces of the past. Again, not exactly a conscious choice of the people living there.

I'm not defending British cultural robbery, but your argument isn't any better.


I'm not arguing that the most destructive attitude should overrule all others - that would be an implicit argument in favor of the colonizers who did far more damage than ISIS ever did. I'm arguing that that cultural transactions should be voluntary and mutually beneficial. It wasn't the conscious choice of anyone to be colonized and exploited by the British, any more than by ISIS or any other dictator.

What ISIS is doing is wrong and a crime against humanity, but the "enlightened West" still has no right to step in unannounced and ransack the place just to ensure a marketable trade in Syrian artifacts. Because that's what imperialism and colonization are really about - not preserving history or archaeology, because that can be done ethically - but capitalism. The British Empire wasn't interested in preserving the cultural heritage of the world for its own sake, they robbed Egyptian tombs, ground up mummies and ate them.


Yeah, and that's wrong. But you were arguing that if some Egyptians did that themselves. Or Syrians (which means mostly ISIS). And that's the part I disagree with.

This shouldn't be a choice between stealing and destroying.


Exactly.

It seems almost as if the person your replying to thinks these cultures and people are somehow unable or not to be trusted with their own history.

Very entitled.


If you actually dig a little deeper than my comment you will find that:

1) Mostly done by dictators and not it's not people's will

2) ISIS

3) In the case of Ancient Egypt, people thought that those things were living gods and Pharaohs inside, and destroying it would kill them.

So yes, I don't trust ISIS and CPP to preserve history.


Go steal some of their history then so you can preserve it for them.


Already did. I've pirated terabytes of movies and shows from all around the world.


Steal, as in deprive them of their property.

We're on HN, we all know making copies is different.


I will leave it to Brits. They been doing it well enough without me.


At least we agree on what is happening.




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