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Is car manufacturing a high margin business? If not then I doubt Apple is working on bringing a car to market.


For luxury cars it is. Apple would position themselves in that direction.

That being said, I’m surprised they are still seriously on it, given how the prospect of general-purpose FSD has largely fizzled out.


Is it? Wikipedia[1] puts Porshe's Operating margins at loosely 16%. Which isn't bad for auto probably but isn't great for tech.


FWIW, Porsche has trended more into the premium market lately than the luxury market, in a bid to pursue more growth at the expense of profit margin.

Gross and operating margins are pretty high in the luxury car industry, on par with iPhones. Personally, I don't think Apple would release a luxury car. I think it's more likely to partner with manufacturers of premium cars.

It might be useful to make a small number of cars within Apple, to align on their north star vision for design, to lobby manufacturers in that direction, and to build up internal knowledge of the market they'd be selling into.

But you're right, the margins on manufacturing and selling the whole vehicle would be a poor allocation of capital.


But if Apple makes a car, is it more in the premium or in the luxury market?

It seems to me that most of the bestselling Apple products are more premium than luxury, why would it be different with cars? And if not, why would they profit from margins that are usually associated with luxury cars?


I’d assume Apple will treat it as a service. They own the cars. You pay for the rides.


Why not both? You buy the car, and you pay a recurring subscription fee for the service.


In good quarters, Tesla has been able to pull ~30%. I'd guess that close to 25% is consistently attainable for a product from Apple.

It isn't quite as good as their normal ~40%, but then again those are not $50k+ devices either.


Tesla famously had by far the highest margins pushing 30%, though they've dropped a lot recently with price cuts. They are still by far the highest in the industry


It doe not matter for Apple. If the competition is offering an equivalent car for $20K apple will simply charge $40K or $200k and there will be enough takers.




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