Tesla's special sauce is that they can make a profitable, desirable EV at scale. The established players can't ramp their EV programs -- they'd go bankrupt! I wouldn't call that "working well enough."
The dinosaurs failed to innovate for decades, while Tesla sat down and did hard engineering.
Look at BMWs and Mercedes margins. They're quite comparable with Tesla margins.
Let's see Tesla margins once they grow to try to match that insane market valuation that only makes sense if they sell 10+ million cars per year, most of which will have to be cars costing 20k€ per year, not 40k+€ per year.
It's easy to be profitable at the high end, but that also comes with a negligible total addressable market. BMW and Mercedes still have all their R&D work ahead of them to advance their high-cost EV technology to catch up with Tesla.
BMW/Mercedes also didn't do the engineering legwork (like the other dinos), they just use a slightly different strategy to conceal the deficiency. They chose "make expensive and unpopular EVs" instead of "quietly lose money on EVs." Same shit different shovel!
At this point, I doubt they'll even try to catch up on technology. They'll retreat behind "we don't make cheap cars so why lift the cost curve with R&D," meaning they'll never contribute more than a rounding error in the EV transition.
It's doubling down on buggy-whips in 1905. It won't be pretty.
Both BMW and Mercedes have EV platforms, have you done your homework?
I find especially US folks (sorry) very un-informed about non-US car companies regarding EV technology.
Also, Mercedes sold ~250k EVs last year and BMW sold about ~380k. Yes, Tesla sold 1.8 million or something, but you're acting like Tesla is some hyperscaler. And this is in a context where both BMW and Mercedes sell more cars overall, than Tesla, so they have to take care of the going concern, too.
> Both BMW and Mercedes have EV platforms, have you done your homework?
Of course I know they "have" platforms, but look at the price of the actual cars. They're at least a generation behind Tesla on platform cost.
Legacy automakers' dirty little secret is that their cheap EVs aren't profitable, and their profitable EVs aren't cheap. They failed to invest in lowering EV build costs.
I find non-Tesla/non-China automakers (including Europe) very in denial about how far behind they are.
> Both BMW and Mercedes have EV platforms, have you done your homework?
Doing some quick googling I could not find any source for margins of BMW / Mercedes on their EVs. I remember EVs fron GM / WV being mostly unprofitable, but maybe those are old news.
Can you please share some links for those who want to be more informed?
Not when you look at their margins.
Tesla's special sauce is that they can make a profitable, desirable EV at scale. The established players can't ramp their EV programs -- they'd go bankrupt! I wouldn't call that "working well enough."
The dinosaurs failed to innovate for decades, while Tesla sat down and did hard engineering.