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This is a nice write-up, although it focuses solely on the US industrial output, which is indeed impressive, going from ~2,100 aircraft to ~50,000 in six years. However, that first table raises some questions - the Soviets were already at ~10,300 in 1939, and the Germans at ~8,200. How were they able to do it?

One major influence is that American industrialists were busy expanding global markets and happily supplied their technology and manufacturing processes to the two major buyers, Nazi Germany and Communist Russia, in the 1930s, with Ford being one of the major actors, perhaps more active in Germany:

In Germany:

> "Ford and the Führer: A History of Ford Motor Company's Involvement in Nazi Germany" by Paul Ingrassia and Joseph B. White: This work delves into Ford's business activities in Germany, documenting the introduction of assembly-line manufacturing and the company's interactions with the Nazi regime."

> "The American Axis: Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and the Rise of the Third Reich" by Max Wallace: This book explores the relationship between American industrialists like Henry Ford and the Nazi regime, including detailed accounts of Ford's manufacturing contributions."

In Soviet Union:

> "Gorky Automobile Plant (GAZ): Built with the technical assistance of Ford, the Gorky Automobile Plant began producing vehicles using American-style assembly lines. Ford provided machinery, blueprints, and training to Soviet engineers and workers. Soviet engineers and technicians received training in Ford’s American factories, learning about assembly line production and modern manufacturing techniques."

I don't know if there's a particular moral to this story, other than that in search of short-term profit major American industrialists were happy to get in bed with any and all buyers.



> the Soviets were already at ~10,300 in 1939, and the Germans at ~8,200. How were they able to do it?

The US was pursuing a largely isolationist foreign policy, and was not investing in armaments.

The USSR had, between 1917, and 1939:

* Spent six years fighting an incredibly brutal and bloody civil war.

* Was attacked by Poland in ~1920.

* Spent another decade putting down various secession movements, mostly in central Asia.

* Had multiple minor conflicts with China and Japan.

* Was heavily involved in the Spanish Civil War.

* Also needed a strong, standing army to put down any further internal resistance.

* Could smell which way the wind was blowing, and was ready to capitalize on German's ambitions in Europe, by taking its chunk of Poland (And later invading Finland).

Given all that, it was functioning on a war economy pretty much from ~1917 to 1941. (At which point it transitioned to a total war economy.)

This was all in the context of a strong central push for mass industrialization. Steel production alone increased ~5x between 1930 and 1940. Up until the Nazis took power, the USSR worked very closely on both industrialization, and military armament with Weimar Germany. Krupp was building factories in the Don, and future Luftwaffe pilots were being trained in Lipetsk.


>* Was attacked by Poland in ~1920.

That's a fun way of saying that the USSR started a war of conquest against Poland.


You're significantly oversimplifying the absolute clusterfuck of ethnic and ideological and territorial wars that sprung up in the immediate collapse of the Austro-Hungarian and Russian empires.

Both of those states fought with the goal of expanding their borders to a pre-partition status - the USSR aimed to reclaim territories lost in Brest-Litovsk, Poland to something resembling the pre-partition commonwealth. Poland won the war, and made significant territorial gains, in exchange for recognition of Soviet Ukraine... And then 1939 happened.


Both of those states fought with the goal of expanding their borders to a pre-partition status - the USSR aimed to reclaim territories lost in Brest-Litovsk, Poland to something resembling the pre-partition commonwealth.

This is actually gets a bit closer to a fair reading of the basic cause of the war. But it also glaringly contradicts what you just said previously ("Poland attacked the USSR in 1920, and that's it"¹). If you knew this was a gross (and misleading) oversimplification -- then why did you open with it? And in what year did the USSR come into being, again?

Anyway, we're far removed from the topic of the original thread. If the two of you want to hash this out amongst yourselves, perhaps one of you can start a new top-level post on the topic, and see if you can get people to join you there.

¹ In the sense of «Вкусно – и точка»


You are correct.

What I should have said (and couldn't find a way to put in a sentence) was that at some point in the Polish/Soviet war, Poland was fighting a successful offensive in the USSR, won the war, and made territorial gains.

I suppose I should have said, well, that.


"In areas that would later become part of the USSR".

Anyway -- much better, thanks for clarifying.


>> The US was pursuing a largely isolationist foreign policy

Some people in the US were. FDR was not.


> other than that in search of short-term profit major American industrialists were happy to get in bed with any and all buyers

And that has changed since then..?




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