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ICQ was the chat tool of the democratic internet, or internet of the people if you prefer the term.

After companies started dominating the internet, it was never be the same. We thought that any company would play by our rules, but they poisoned us with their research, gamification, single way information flow, and walled gardens.

This is why I moved to small web.

I miss the old internet dearly.



> ICQ was the chat tool of the democratic internet

It was proprietary client software released in 1996 and bought by AOL two years later.

It relies on a service operated by a single party, which is now sunsetting it.

According to the Wikipedia article, when ICQ was under AOL's stewardship, "AOL pursued an aggressive policy regarding alternative ("unauthorized") ICQ clients."

The article details all the tactics that AOL implemented in the service to break unofficial clients.

I don't see where the word "democratic" connects with ICQ.


If it still feels more democratic than modern chat apps then there is something deeply wrong with how things evolve.


That is correct but it was still more open than what we have now with the current services. 3rd party clients and multi-protocol messengers we don't have at all anymore.


Isn't that what Beeper or Ferdium are doing? And there's still libpurple/Pidgin.

[1] https://www.beeper.com/

[2] https://ferdium.org/


Interesting, need to check but so far the modern methods of multi protocol messaging was mostly just aggregating the web UIs of the various services in a single application (read: like a web browser)

Pidgin, Miranda, Adium are the things I was referring to - would be cool if I could use them for whatsapp, signal, gmail chat/hangouts but I don‘ think thats possible. Happy to get corrected here.


We're still hard at work trying to get support for new chat features in Pidgin. You can find our quarterly updates here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUmrAdJiXFMVZXy5DIrL8...



You missed the point. The point wasn't the nature of the tool itself. Anyone could join, and one could chat with anyone. It was used "by the people" and not curated by corps.


ICQ was not "curated" by a corporation; it was produced and operated by one from scratch.

The present-day, mainstream, proprietary chat systems are open to anyone to join and chat with anyone.

Most of whatever restrictions they have are necessitated by spam. Allowing new members to immediately post unlimited amounts of material into any chat room or any other member's inbox is a bad idea, even in an open-source, federated chat system.


Curated referring to content.


Pretty sure every large-scale chat app that exists is used "by the people"? What are you actually trying to say?


Currently it's used "by the customer", or worse, "by the data suppliers".


It was commercial, wasn't it? And only worked on Windows? IRC was the open alternative.


I had a Linux ICQ client in 1997/1998.


With the built-in option to “hijack account”, when sending a password longer than 8 characters would log you in, but official clients capped you at 8 characters.


I had to recompile some cmd line one from the linux sources to work from my home directory on my universities unix system ~2000. Back before everyone in college had laptops.


This was the 90s, so I guess reverse engineering the protocols was simple. There were even Amiga clients of it, like stricq.



I lament the loss of the Old Growth Internet as well, but I feel we can never go home again.


>the Old Growth Internet

Nicely coined.


>ICQ was the chat tool of the democratic internet, or internet of the people if you prefer the term.

That's IRC.


> That's IRC.

IRC is the other one, not the only one. However, Discord is eating its lunch in these days, sadly.


I can’t imagine that the typical IRC user has any interest in Discord. They are wildly different in every conceivable way.


Unfortunately projects are increasingly using Discord or Slack instead of IRC.


It gets worse: for some projects I’ve been interested in, the docs are terribly incomplete and when you ask - you are told to ask in the discord


That’s horrific. I guess every generation gets to re-learn the mistakes of the past.


I’ve spent the last couple of days finding random GitHub and Gitlab projects that use a certain library/project to use as “documentation” in lieu of joining the discord.

Guess what? Most of them are abandoned and have similar bugs that are entirely down to some shit being completely undocumented :)


How can we oppose to this? At least open source projects should use open source communication tools.


> At least open source projects should use open source communication tools

I strongly agree.

I think there are a few steps the community could take.

• Promote awareness of this, put it in licence agreements or contributor guidelines.

• Document how to find and how to use FOSS comms tools.

• Pidgin is the best we have for now. It needs an update, so the package includes as many protocol connectors as possible as standard, together with docs how to enable and use them. Getting away from crappy web apps embedded in Electron is pretty important, especially for bringing xBSD and so on on board.

• A corresponding update for Adium would be good, too.

A few years ago I worked for a major Linux vendor and I had Pidgin talking to IRC, Rocket.chat, Slack, Telegram, Skype, Google $CHAT_NAME_OF_THE_MONTH, and all my other services... but it took considerable manual effort.

The result was working multiprotocol chat in about 10% of the RAM usage of the Franz Electron client.


We're working hard on that update.. But volunteers only have so much time, but hopefully we'll have an alpha soon (tm).


On Adium? Really? Great to hear that. I was extremely fond of Adium, a decade ago.

On Pidgin? Cool. I am surprised but I managed to get Pidgin working on macOS via Brew yesterday, which automatically installed a recent version of WINE, to my considerable surprise.

It wouldn't connect to anything and I couldn't find where, in one OS's emulated filesystem on top of my real OS's rather complex filesystem, I could put plugins, but hey, it started and ran and that's quite impressive.

Given that Gtk apps such as Geany manage to run on macOS, I thought a native Unix port of Pidgin would be an easier effort than the Windows one, but hey.


Last I checked the homebrew version of pidgin was native...


Really? I got a Windows binary and Wine Stable installed automatically as a dependency. Monterey, on x86.


You can make sure your own projects use such tools.


When Discord gets closed, let's see how the projects will manage the loss.


"The other one"?


Yes, "The other one". IRC and ICQ was equal in its use in my circles and both were indispensable for what they did. Plus, we all used alternative clients too.


Can you share more on what you mean by moving to the small web?



Why not just answer a question without the “Google is your friend” crap? That’s rude and we’re better than that.


You are absolutely right. I don't see an edit button, but if there was one I would remove it and just add the links without the commentary.


Well done acknowledging it though. That converted a bit of pointless internet anger into a great bit of personal responsibility. Thanks fellow internet user for doing your part today to make the net a better place.


One of the last living artifacts of the internet that was, the internet that could have been.


As others have pointed out, our fond memories of the Old Internet being "democratic" may be a little off.

But. I think it's fair to say it felt more free, it had a high barrier of technical entry, which filtered out most of the public, and there was no craven race to monetize and enshitify absolutely every single of our interactions.

Mostly because corporations were in the process of figuring out how to do all that with this new Internet thing.




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