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Homeless need shelter and help. It is inhumane that we let them rot on the streets.

City dwellers need safe and clean streets and public transportation. Kids should be able to walk to school by themselves.

These two things don’t need to be in conflict.




Many people misunderstand what this case was about.

> Homeless need shelter and help. It is inhumane that we let them rot on the streets.

The issue being argued was not that homeless should be able to camp where ever and whenever they want. This issue was that if you don't provide shelter then you cannot kick them out of public spaces.

If that was the law, then it would mean you need to build shelters if you don't want homeless in the streets.

What this new verdict means is:

- You can forcibly remove homeless people who have nowhere else to go

- Thus homelessness can be effectively illegal

- The only realistic solutions now are:

    - Put the homeless in prisons

    - Move them to cities and towns that don't have the resources to remove them.


I genuinely expect mass arrests and quasi-deportations of the homeless (along the lines of "we won't prosecute you if you take this bus ticket to San Francisco") over the next few months in red states and in red cities in blue states.


Why not blue cities in blue states? California's governor and San Francisco's mayor praised the decision.[1]

[1] https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco/sf-supre...


Because it's inhumane to treat people as a punishment?


"All people to the right of my position are inhumane"

lel


If you have a response that follows HN guidelines, I'd love to hear it.


The Grant's Pass law provides repeat homeless campers with shelter and keeps them off the streets for up to 30 days per offense.

That's expensive, of course, so cities will have the incentive to do what the city of Chico did when it provided an outdoor shelter facility for the homeless. A district court refused to allow Chico to enforce it's ban on camping even though it had that facility, because it was an outdoor facility not an indoor one. This ruling gives cities the ability to say "you can camp here, not there".


> It is inhumane that we let them rot on the streets

Agree. But is it cruel and unusual? The court says no.


The court rules that it is not cruel or unusual to arrest and jail people for camping in public, right?


> court rules that it is not cruel or unusual to arrest and jail people for camping in public

It rules that the Eighth Amendment doesn’t substantially restrict what constitutes a crime, just the punishment. (It restricts criminalising status. So the court mostly focussed on whether the law criminalises homelessness, versus specific actions, which it found it does not.)


The court ruling was about charging them money for being left to rot on the street, not leaving them in the street in the first place.




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