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Books of the world, stand up and be counted All 129,864,880 of you. (2010) (booksearch.blogspot.com)
45 points by Bluestein 6 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 36 comments



Well ok. A shout-out to my own 9798990595101 and its ebook buddies 9798990595118 and 9798224433186. Some stats: Copies sold: 0. Royalties $0. Family and friends: noncommittal and confused. Personal feeling of accomplishment: priceless I guess. $0.99 ebook promotions so far 2 months, 0 copies. Looking to extend the record for 2 more months with 0 more copies. On-demand technology is fun, but boring if there is no demand. Amazon "Best Sellers" rank: #6,757,387 in Books.


It's sold no copies, and yet the only copy I can find for sale is a used ("as new") one on AbeBooks. The plot summary does look interesting, though.


None of those are real unless someone orders them. Lots of scalping by db nerds going on because these companies do not charge on-ramp fees for items.

I priced the paperback at $15 and chose to put the price on the back cover ISBN barcode for Amazon/IngramSpark paper copies, so in every respect it is a traditional book equivalent to those in stores or in libraries, got a Lib or Congress number too and sent them one. I see AbeBooks has '2' of them with the (*101) ISBN, so that seller will order those fake-copies on Amazon and pocket the extra.

But there is another network Draft2Digital who insists on No price anywhere on the book and assigning their own ISBN (the *186). They are aggressive internationally and cater to a lot of deep pocket impulse buyers (I guess the rich are like that the world over), so you can see your book 'listed' for 3x the price. Only when someone pays that price will they pay the $15 to D2D and drop ship to the customer. The no-price policy is so those people will not be annoyed to see $15 once it is in their lap.


Of the 129,864,880 books, the article mentions 5, and I’ve read 4 of those. What a little bubble us tech people inhabit.


What are the odds ...


A T-shirt that has an ISBN number assigned surely is a great conversation starter. I wonder where can I get my hands on one


Your comment puts me in mind of that t-shirt way back in the day, containing encryption source code. Fun times ...



There's actually a product(? service?) called "Books in Print" that lists all things currently being published:

* https://www.bowker.com/books-in-print


Books in Print used to be a book in print. Updated yearly, I used it at the library.


Wow I can only imagine how unwieldy that was to use. Was it just one big list by date published or did they did they try to order by title/author/publisher? Books in Print nowadays is tens of thousands of (mostly garbage) records monthly - I imagine the volume was a lot less back then, but still had to be a lot to sort through on paper.



> Books in Print used to be a book in print.

Still available (ISBN 978-1-63700-938-3):

* https://www.greyhouse.com/Books-In-Print


eBooks and self publishing weren't quite as big a thing in 2010. I wonder what result a similar count would produce today, when one can "write" a book, have it published and listed for sale, and even printed on demand, all in a matter of hours.


Bowker (the ISBN-issuing authority in the US) tracks issued ISBNs by publishing category. At last check a few years ago, this was on the order of 300k "traditional" books (that is, produced through an established publisher) and another 1--2 million or so "nontraditional" books.

Latest report I can find is from 2013, now only available as an archive:

<https://web.archive.org/web/20150415233658/https://www.bowke...>

It's interesting to consider books published vs. total market. For the US, there is a reading population of about 300 million people (I'm presuming ~30m are either pre-reading age or nonliterate). For 300k books, that's 1,000 readers per book. (Edit: Not "100" as initially written.) The highly asymmetric long-tail dynamics of book publishing, with a small handful of titles selling 1m+ copies per year, and most having sales of far fewer (often largely library sales) becomes highly evident.

The US Library of Congress also publishes new additions annually as part of the Librarian's Report to Congress:

<https://www.loc.gov/static/portals/about/reports-and-budgets...> (PDF)

FY2023 registrations were 441,526 (pp. 84--85).


As someone who has subscribed to Bowker’s Books in Print data for the last four years, I’d take any stats based on their data with a huge grain of salt. Bowker does issue ISBNs (and the BiP data has tens of millions of them), but they do very little validation, with their data largely input by publishers often long after the ISBN has been issued and with varying standards. For example, their attempt to identify overarching “works” (i.e. The Fellowship of the Ring as a literary work vs its various editions and reprintings) across ISBNs is unusably inaccurate, even for mainstream published titles.

Also as the article mentions, ISBNs are issued for all sorts of things most people would not consider a “book”, like journals (the kind you write in, not the academic kind), coloring books, sales displays, maps, bulk lots of books for schools, box sets, reprints of Wikipedia, calendars, etc and these are not always particularly well distinguished in their data because it’s seemingly up to the publisher to categorize it correctly, and some fly-by-night Wikipedia article reseller is just not going to put in accurate data.

Maybe Bowker has data they don’t include in BiP that would make their stats believable…but I kind of doubt it. LoC seems more reliable, but their corpus is (intentionally) much smaller and more focused, and generally the books libraries care about doesn’t 100% overlap with “all things published that most people would consider a book” since that’s not their purpose. OpenLibrary is doing good work in this space, but it’s still kinda early and struggles with data quality. It does ultimately depend how you on how you define a “book”, but for my money I’d say your numbers are low, though you’re spot on that only a very small fraction of those get widely read.


Off-by-magnitude error. 300m readers / 300k books is 1,000 readers per book, not 100.

(Assuming readers are allocated evenly and each person buys one book/year, both of which are ... unlikely.)

But this is how long-tail distributions are formed. Poisson distribution, power functions, Zipf's law, etc., etc.


> 30m are either pre-reading age or nonliterate

That's an incredibly large number of illiterates. Am surprised ...


300m / 300k largely just simplifies the maths. That's useful for very rough napkin calculations.

Going beyond that: for starters you can exclude children to a certain age (say 5, 10, 15 years), based on limited literacy, and adults in later years with visual and cognitive deficiencies (glaucoma, macular degeneration, dementia, other cognitive conditions). Ten-and-unders alone are about 10% of the total population: <https://www.neilsberg.com/insights/united-states-population-...>.

Then there's actual measured adult literacy rates which are ... far more sobering than you might think. At least half the U.S. adult population would struggle strongly with any modestly complex text, fiction or nonfiction:

<https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2019/2019179/index.asp>

I'd discussed that on an earlier thread here: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29734386>.


I can no longer thank you for the through comment you point to there, so I do it here. Appreciated.-

> At least half the U.S. adult population would struggle strongly with any modestly complex text, fiction or nonfiction

How is that not become a severe, dire, national issue?


My sense is that it's more of an "it is what it is" situation. That is, if you're operating in a domain which requires or presumes literacy, then you'll do better to have a realistic appraisal of what the reality is.

Among other factors, the level seems to be relatively consistent over time, it corresponds to other similarly nuanced measures (the OECD computer literacy survey mentioned in my linked 2021 comment, Jean Piaget's work on intellectual attainment levels, presumably based on 1950s/1960s France), and other broad measures.

The US has a strong sense of the actual literacy situation because it actually tests for this, where many other countries apparently do not, or don't publish their findings. "Highly literate" is a pride and prestige factor for many countries, and rates of 95--99% literacy (often given) likely are based on very low minimum standards.

I also suspect that there may be some negative consideration given the large immigrant / non-native-English speaking population in the US (where some of the latter is in fact native-born but in insular communities), where individuals may have literate capabilities in their native language but not English. Given that the lowest rates of adult literary attainment are in southern border communities (most notably in the Big Bend region of Texas) this seems at least possible.

If you are highly literate and technical you're all but certainly an outlier amongst the general population, and your own immediate experience and that of those you encounter most often is probably not a generalisable one.

In the technical context I've called this the Tyranny of the Minimum Viable User, which addresses both the fact that widely-used computer interfaces must be exceedingly basic (to avoid disenfranchising the vast majority of the population) and that this means that proficient or expert users face challenges in trying to address their own complex needs on such systems unless there are ready means of extending the system capabilities to match their personal ability and needs. The tension here is absolutely innate and inevitable.

Also, if you're trying to sell books, you're selling into roughly 10--20% of the population at best, most of the time. Which is why other forms of media (music, video, games) tend to be so much more popular, in all senses of that word.


> Tyranny of the Minimum Viable User,

Nicely put.-


dredmorbius is assuming it, not citing someone's measurement.


30k low-literates is all but certainly an underestimate, see follow-up above.


I would ballpark-estimate at least twice as many.-

That said, as wisely said downthread, it depends on how one defines "published" - or, "book" even ...


Now, using modern technology, they can write 7 billion books. What is their value?


Sadly approaches zero, am afraid.-

(At least for the slop ...)

PS. We need an AI book reviewer to tell the difference.-


It’s a damn good thing there’s so much very, very good pre-“AI” media that one could be entertained and engaged and educated for three lifetimes with it. And that’s just the best stuff!


Sigh. "Pre-slopocene" vs. "Slopocene" ...


Unfortunately, this is true


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Come to think of it, probably at least twice as many by now. Even more, if growth has not been linear ...


as the beginning of the article says: it all depends on what qualifies as a book

if you're including epub novels, that have never had a print done... then yeah, at least is gonna be the operating word, likely multiple times considering just how many fiction books are being produced on webnovel sites and then published as epubs for their fans to buy and support the author.


It also depends on what qualifies as 'published'. If a bot generates 100 nonsensical children's books with an LLM, lists them all on Amazon, and then takes them down a day later before anyone notices any of them (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40779643), then were they ever really published?


I - ignorantly - wonder what the whole point of that might be? - they cannot possibly sell that many in the intervening time ...


Padding numbers? ‘Our shitty bot has successfully* published* hundreds of books!’


That is awful. (Though you are probably entirely correct ...)

(The only one's benefiting from that are the slop "shovels" purveyors to the AI-slop gold rush ...)




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