there are numerous reasons and everyone has choices. I'm saying that the choices the US made were a major part of bringing about the war. It is 100% upside and the US would do it again.
I think keeping NATO out of Ukraine would have been sufficient to avoid the whole conflict. That is without getting into more exotic options.
> And dead Russians. The longer the war goes, the better for the US and NATO. That's the whole reason it exists in the first place.
>> there are numerous reasons and everyone has choices
>>> I'm saying that the choices the US made were a major part of bringing about the war.
Would you like to either not lie outright, or(if I am being charitable) explain yourself fully in the first place? The comment I responded to from you, was saying that the whole reason the war in Ukraine existed was because it was better for NATO and the US.
Walk that argument back, explain how you weren't nuanced enough in your original statement in the first place, or admit you're just pro Russia. I'll allow for another option I didn't enumerate, but you'll need to provide evidence for it
The war is great for the USA in almost every possible way. New NATO members, Better military positions, Sanctions on Russia and weakened economy, Europe is finally spending money on military, the list goes on.
If the war goes on for another 10 years, it would be a blessing.
Which part is confusing you? Anyone who is Pro-USA and anti-Russia should be for it, and for dragging it out as long as possible.
Thus, it is not surprising that the US took the actions within its control to bring it about, and then trickle funds Ukraine to draw it out as long as possible.
It is the military deal of the Century. We spent 2.5 Trillion dollars on Iraq(in 2014 prices) and look what we got. Ukraine has only cost ~175 billion, and most of that money is spent to buy US weapons.
I'm not really interested in dealing with you moving the goal posts back and forth, so if you would like to continue this discussion I am going to ask you to pick your strongest argument on this topic.
If you do not want to pick a single argument to defend, then ok
Im saying this war is happening because the US wanted it. It wants it because it is great for the US. It could have been trivially avoided if the US wanted.
Again, what part of this is contradictory or confusing to you?
It takes more than one country to go to war. Each has choices, like cars driving at each other. Each has the power to swerve, make concessions, or go to war, or surrender, ect. Each option may have pros and cons and costs.
The US could have stepped on the breaks at any moment with no cost by not expanded NATO. However, war is a win for the reasons stated, and Russia backing down and letting it happen was also a win. it was masterful strategy to put Russia in a lose lose choice. Sure, it has agency to pick, but it had no option to continue the status quo. Every party has full control to stop things at any moment. It is just a matter of what they stand to gain or lose.
Any primary party could stop it at any time. Russia can stop it tomorrow. Ukraine can stop it tomorrow. Nobody involved "needed" to start it. I do think that Russia saw itself facing an existential threat.
I think keeping NATO out of Ukraine would have been sufficient to avoid the whole conflict. That is without getting into more exotic options.