The reason I said "(or Vue)" was specifically to say that there are other leading frameworks. I didn't say "or Angluar" because in my opinion it's a race between React and Vue at this point. But if you think there's a third contender, let me know. I'm always looking to learn.

My main point was to compare "frameworks" v.s. "no frameworks", rather than to say that React is best, but if you want my opinion then yes I do say React is indeed the best, and I admit it's an opinion not a fact. lol.

Have you ever worked on a project that used Rails, Laravel, Django or Spring? Without being a SPA? For many (most) websites, I find that these are far superior to client side heavy SPAs with json apis (react, vue etc).

Most of the apps I've worked on were very business oriented, and about people getting work done, rather than "website" type stuff that's mostly static. So for example, being able to refresh a part of the screen with new information from the server, is critical. Doing page reloads would destroy the experience. I have 35yrs exp so yes I've used most of what you mentioned.

You’re just proving the point. This stuff was easy when it was called Ajax. You don’t need React for that simple thing lmao.

I just use the 'fetch' command to get data from the server. That's basically like Ajax. Where React comes into play of course is taking care of all the page updates, which would be a nightmare for any large app, unless you have a framework being used.

Angluar -> I'm using this from now on

In case I was unclear, I consider Angular dead and obsolete.

> In case I was unclear, I consider Angular dead and obsolete.

maybe you would expand on this? I have no intention to challenge you, just genuinely curios if and why I should consider vue over agnular for new project (I use angular already).

If you’ve never used it don’t declare it dead. Angular is updated regularly every 6 months. While react is busy thinking how to create more SSR apis, the angular team keeps improving developer experience.

IMO right now it’s easier to start an angular project with much less foot guns than react.

I call plenty of things dead without ever having used them. FORTRAN for example.

What I mean by dead is it's a VERY unlikely choice for any new app. People will choose React or Vue most of the time. You don't see Angular used hardly ever for a new project.

BTW: Vite is the new best way to manage the build pipeline, and makes React super easy to start using.

I’ve never used a drill press; does that make them dead?

Fortran certainly has its issues with portability and feature development, but it is by no means dead.

As I already pointed out, my use of "dead" doesn't mean "no longer in use". It means no longer being selected by choice for a new project.

And your drill press example is agreeing with me, which is that, as I also already said myself, no one needs to have ever used something to be able to declare it dead, nor did I declare something dead because I don't personally use it. That's absurd.

I don't have strong insights about current agnular popularity. I think at least teams/companies which built strong expertise in angular will continue using it for new projects unless there is some big reason not to.

SO trends show that angular is more popular, while vue is loosing share (not necessary absolute number): https://trends.stackoverflow.co/?tags=angular,vue.js,reactjs

Thanks for sharing that graph. It does show React as the leader, the the others in distant 2nd/3rd place.

However I think the "drop off" in the chart for React is misleading/incorrect, and likely indicates just a slowing down of the economy and/or people moving to LLMs for their searches and abandoning StackOverflow completely, as I have.

For the past year I haven't yet found a question that an LLM couldn't answer better than S.O. could, although ironically most of the LLM learning did come from S.O.

Anyway, yeah shops will stick to their legacy code forever unless something forces change, because retooling is super expensive in money and time, not to mention replacing all your developers with different ones!

In case I was unclear, I consider French dead and obsolete.