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> they don’t do as well as the modal group of white Americans, so as the composition changes, and the whites become less of a statistically dominating factor

How do poor whites compare to the rest of white people, as well as other races in their socio-economic strata? I suspect test scores corelate more strongly with household income and wealth than with race. However, in America, income/wealth and race are also correlated, which may make one an inadvertent proxy for the other.




> • Blacks from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had a mean SAT score that was 85 points below the mean score for whites from all income levels, 139 points below the mean score of whites from families at the same income level, and 10 points below the average score of white students from families whose income was less than $10,000

https://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.htm...


This is tenuously related to what I asked.


I'm confused. Your first sentence was how do our whites compare to others and this comment addresses. You suggest the driving factor is socioeconomic class, which the child post directly addresses.


I asked a very specific question, and I fail to see what's confusing about my first sentence. I asked how poor whites compared to other non-poor white people, as well as poor people of other races (i.e. controlling for income). Your reply provides a link comparing how non-poor black people compare to white people across all income levels, leaving my question unanswered.

If I were at a Toyota dealerships and I asked you "How does this Corolla hatchback compare to other Toyota models on the lot, as well as other brands in the same 'compact car' category?", and your response is that the Nissan Pathfinder (a mid-size SUV) has worse gas milage than all Toyota models. That doesn't answer my question at all, because non-Toyota SUVs were never under consideration.


Ah I should have stopped reading after your first sentence, because the next sentence suggests the broader point you're getting at is that difference in test scores is attributable to mostly economic factors. Here is your second sentence:

> I suspect test scores corelate more strongly with household income and wealth than with race.

The question of whether people in higher socio-economic class score higher in standardized tests is obviously true and uninteresting. The real question is if the correlation trumps other factors like race (which you hinted at by your next sentence). Kind of like asking "is this SUV safe for a Toyota". Obviously its safer than smaller Toyota vehicles, the pertinent question is whether its safe compared to other SUVs.

So yes, students in higher economics. You can google 'socio-economic test scores'. Here's a top result:

> Socioeconomic status (SES) and SAT scores are positively correlated: Students from higher income backgrounds generally achieve higher scores, and “21.2% of variance in SAT scores is shared with SES, as measured here as a composite of mother’s education, father’s education, and parental income.” The researchers note that the “source of the SAT-SES relationship is likely due to some combination of educational opportunity, school quality, peer effects and other social factors.”

https://journalistsresource.org/economics/ses-socioeconomic-...


> The question of whether people in higher socio-economic class score higher in standardized tests is obviously true and uninteresting

Indeed, it's uncontroversial and that is why I used it to set up the second half of my question, which hopefully is more thought-provoking.

> Obviously its safer than smaller Toyota vehicles, the pertinent question is whether its safe compared to other SUVs

We're finally on the same page! This was the second, and more interesting part of my original question that is yet to be answered.

In the US, socio-economics is obviously a confounding factor that should be controlled for when comparing by race or by immigration recency.




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