Well, let's not give you any medication for any disease you are afflicted with. It's an easy way out. Get a bacterial infection? Should have been cleaner. Get a virus? Why you expose yourself. Develop cancer? We know there are millions of lifestyle choices that push the needle towards development bit by tiny bit, why didn't you avoid all of those? All of these are nature's price for not doing the work. Why are you taking the easy way out to discuss this on the internet? Why not go talk to someone about it in person. But don't drive, or wear clothing made by others, or live in a home constructed with modern methods using modern materials.
Or... This could be a ridiculously awful take. Convenience or the "easy way out" is one of the biggest drivers of technological advancement in human history. The fact you are able to make this post at all means you have been a beneficiary of the "easy way out" in countless ways. All you're actually doing here is moralizing about fat people.
It's actually not, because lifelong exposure to known carcinogens is actually very similar to slowly overeating and gaining weight. Do you eat grilled meat? Enjoy your PAHs and HCAs - if you ever get cancer, seeking treatment is going to be the easy way out, something you could have avoided by "putting in the work."
But you also ignored all of the other things you do every day that are the easy way out.
Basically no one chooses to be obese. It happens bit by bit over time, with small poor choice after small poor choice stacking up.
Don't worry. You'll still get to feel superior about not being fat - you can just proclaim loudly that you did it without a GLP-1. Those that think like you will give you the applause you're looking for, I'm sure. And everyone else can roll their eyes and move on with their day.
"Not liking" medication that greatly improves people's lives and greatly reduces their risk of early death just because you think it's the "easy way" and "not doing the work" makes you an asshole. Rooting for them to have significant side effects also makes you an asshole.
You are choosing to be obese by making those choices repeatedly in spite of the obvious consequences. It didn't sneak up on you out of nowhere. Calling me an asshole is beside the point, it's just a word for a person who says things that are true that people don't want to hear.
Again: If you get cancer, are you going to skip treatment because you didn't avoid every known carcinogen? Cancer is an obvious consequence of carcinogen exposure, and I would bet quite a lot of money that you are not avoiding exposure to every carcinogen you are aware of. I also doubt you're "putting in the work" to educate yourself on all of the known carcinogens, either.
And no, you're not an asshole for saying that people hold some responsibility in getting fat. You're an asshole because you're wishing further harm on them vs. them having a safe and effective treatment for it. Even if becoming obese wasn't a complex and multifaceted topic (and this is well established science, not some fat-apologist bullshit), even if people just pushed a button that said "make me fat" for some reason, we should all wish for them to have as easy, safe, and effective of a method as possible for returning to a healthy body weight.
What possible moral justification could you have for literally wishing people will have negative health outcomes because they want to use medication to assist them in their weight loss?
> Even if becoming obese wasn't a complex and multifaceted topic (and this is well established science,
That "Science" itself is fat apologist bullshit. This kind of Science is a joke, a way to legitimize the removal of personal responsibility and agency. It's activism, not Science, the same way addiction has become a mental illness or criminality an economic outcome under the guise of fake Science. The moral justification for wanting someone to "do it themselves" and have to pay for their choices is that it creates wiser, stronger people and wiser people make better societies (though it is also it's own good). What you are proposing is a society of meat bags with no agency who get bailed out of their poor choices. That makes for an obese soul.
Why do you think science has any obligation to track with your own personal morals, is concerned with agency, or has anything at all to do with "souls?" Science is about understanding the how and why of things, on a factual basis. It has no responsibility to align to your worldview.
I also notice you continue to refuse to engage on the very applicable analogy of carcinogens, cancer, and receiving treatment. I can only imagine it's because you know you would seek treatment if your life depended on it, despite the need for it being influenced by your actions.
Regardless, I hope you never need to be in a situation where you have to choose between compromising the morals you're espousing now and getting treatment, and if you ever are, I hope you realize how foolish these ideals are, and that you get the treatment you need.
I didn't say that it does have an obligation to do any of that. If anything it's the opposite, I think Science should abstain from turning moral issues into materialistic "facts" which is what they are attempting to do by turning everything that used to be a character or moral issue into a biological or physiological issue so that now every criminal, misfit and glutton is actually a victim of mental illness or addiction (and addiction is a physical, biological phenomenon) where conveniently all agency and personal responsibility is removed and no one can be blamed or impugned for anything and no one is ever at fault. I don't know what is even supposed to be left of a person when bad choices are not even choices anymore, as if only good choices are real choices and we can go around patting ourselves on the back forever. It's just so pathetic and absurd. If you need to tell yourself that being fat, dumb or lazy is not your fault, go ahead, I'm sure they'll discover a biological basis for laziness soon enough and we can all call ourselves differently motivated or whatever stupid euphemism they'll come up with and breathe a sigh of relief. At the end of the day you're just lying to yourself.
Or... This could be a ridiculously awful take. Convenience or the "easy way out" is one of the biggest drivers of technological advancement in human history. The fact you are able to make this post at all means you have been a beneficiary of the "easy way out" in countless ways. All you're actually doing here is moralizing about fat people.