What makes you think he isn’t just messing with people here? He has said before that he’s an alien or that he’ll guard Taylor Swift’s cats with his life. Why should this one be different?
It’s not like Musk builds rockets. He pays for it but that’s it. He also spent $44bn on an American president. He’s clearly intelligent but is he a genius?
He does far more than write checks and even if that was truly all he did the fact that he put his personal wealth into both Tesla and then SpaceX when there was no reasonable expectation for success is on its own highly commendable.
Nobody built rockets the way SpaceX does, and SpaceX - full-stop - would not exist without his involvement.
I find his personality and views largely repugnant, but denigrating his accomplishments is beyond the pale.
Obnoxious tweets and incendiary messaging does not mean we ought not appreciate his impact.
I care about a well functioning democracy that serves the populace infinitely more than I care about tesla or spacex. His accomplishments mean nothing relative to his active destruction of a just and functional society for regular people. The ends do not justify his means.
And that's to say nothing of how completely insufferable musk and his apologists are.
Well, who knows what’s in it for the US. Trump already said that when he comes back to power he ain’t leaving (or that there will be no need to elect again, can’t remember exactly).
> Obnoxious tweets and incendiary messaging does not mean we ought not appreciate his impact.
Nobody would pay attention if his words didn’t make any impact. But they do and I think even he doesn’t realise what the consequences of his actions may be. It’s one thing him controlling the president of the US, it’s another thing him trying to have impact half a world away.
Does he really think that nazis from ex-DDR will be buying teslas when AfD comes to power?
What’s his angle? Ego because the son became a daughter and he blames it on woke culture? The man is risking destabilising the world for who knows what reasons. Most Germans loved Hitler, remember that.
I absolutely don’t care about SpaceX, neither Tesla. Shrug, don’t care.
For ChatGPT, too, arguably (impetus for founding of OpenAI as a counter balance to Google, hiring of Ilya Sutskever, funding, all-in position on Andrej’s belief in the superiority unsupervised learning).
A child? For sure. But in the sense of Nietzsche’s parable (“Of the three transformations”).
Musk isn't too hands on at spacex anymore, he quit seeking high level clearance a while back over the drug stuff and mostly started playing the new diablo instead (ranked top 4 in the world) and tweeting many hours a day.
And yet here you are discussing a thread where Elon is at least joking about using a weird Stanning account as a sock puppet, or even worse, admitting actually using this sock puppet account to weirdly Stan for himself. This behavior definitely screams honesty and maturity.
No, Elon, you're not Adrian Dittmann, you're Howard Hughes. Read about him, and ask yourself if that's the way you want your life to play out, because that's what's happening now.
Then you have to answer for yourself if/why you believe Elon would/wouldn't lie about having an alt account to attempt controlling a narrative or keep a troll running longer than it could?
That was a 4chan screenshot, analysis of which shows some pretty clear photoshopping [0]. All signs point to it being some kind of troll; I don't know how 4chan pseudonyms works but I can't imagine it having actual identity verification.
Clearly Elon is not a healthy person - the last time I had an imaginary friend was when I was a kid - apparently a normal part of childhood development not in adults.
The article establishes pretty clearly Dittman is not imaginary, and he is not Elon.
I’ve been skeptical, but I thought it was possible. The evidence seemed weak, though - I’m a relative nobody, and when I had a tiny bit of e-fame there were a few people out there relentlessly cheerleading/shilling me and aggressively agreeing with everything I said. So the fact Dittman did this with Elon was hardly conclusive. I thought they did sound alike, but that’s not conclusive.
A few people did claim they heard Dittman in spaces while Elon was on live television, but of course since I could not verify that for myself I considered it possible that they were just Elon boosters making that up to defend him. But it looks like they were right. Musk and Dittman are definitely different people.
People really don't want to admit them being separate people. This guy just basically adopted all of Elon mannerisms, beliefs and interests to get attention. He "slips" up sometimes on purpose to keep the ambiguity but the real tell is he spends hours every day talking while Elon is appearing in other places, like on NYE you could listen to Adrian while seeing Elon and X at Trumps party in mar-a-lago.
Musk has had some cringe alts but Adrian is not one of them, he tolerates him because he's a massive fan who always has his back and he likes the attention all the speculation gets.
the real tell is he spends hours every day talking while Elon is appearing in other places
If this is a tell at all, it suggests that Dittmann is an AI experiment of some kind. Certainly we're at the point where someone with a sufficiently-expansive public persona can be "emulated," albeit imperfectly, by an LLM.
Feed all of his tweets to a model and ask it to generate more like them, and, well, there you go. The outcome would be indistinguishable from the observation.
I think this hits the nail on the head. I do believe it would be very unlikely for Elon to be using the dittman account as much as it is used. That is the simplest possible explanation.
He's yanking your chain. They both like to tease that they're the same person. Dittmann because it's probably become his livelihood and Elon because he can not get enough attention in this world.
Elon Musk has been investing massively in reputation management for years now. The guy is a narcissist and obsessed with his image and his self perception. And he's been paying people to feed this. I suspect all of this is just more professionally planted FUD on his part.
Even if this person is Elon or not, who cares really?
I don't know about you, but this is extremely creepy and overly excessive to get information on a private individual without consent, just because he has a similar voice to Elon.
Especially when this all of this was based of a joke it seems?
This is directed at both this article and the Spectator.
Should we do an in-depth and detailed documentation on the 'roon (@tszzl)' X account next?
It’s in the public interest because Musk is one of the most powerful people on the planet and he’s exercising that power quite forcefully these days.
People obviously are going to be interested to find every snippet of information they can about his beliefs and goals — especially the ones he’s unwilling to publicly sign his name to.
> It’s in the public interest because Musk is one of the most powerful people on the planet and he’s exercising that power quite forcefully these days.
But that doesn't mean you should go ahead and hunt for every detail about a person just because they sound like Elon.
So if I am a great Elon Musk impersonator should I be doxxed to a huge extent just like in this article / Spectator?
All one had to was ask or do a face interview with the person.
People have asked for face interviews. I suspect Adrian is enjoying the attention all the confusion generates.
And it’s not “just” because he sounds like Elon. There have been multiple occasions where Adrian has said “I” referring to Elon. Obviously people slip up in speech, but also obviously some people have pseudonyms.
Adrian has lots of in-depth knowledge of Tesla/SpaceX, shows up in the same circles as Elon constantly, has an obscene Twitter addiction (i.e. just participated in a 10 hour live audio chat), defends Elon at every chance including in deeply weird/personal ways like “you are such an amazing father Elon” on pictures of Elon and his kids.
It’s all quite weird and people are absolutely justified to be curious what the fuck is going on.
The same of what you said to me can be also applied to the "roon (@tszzl)" account on X, it has been widely speculated that that account is Sam Altman, works at OpenAI, knows about 'AGI', and also speaks in riddles.
Now that we know 'the truth' that Adrian Dittman is not Elon (it was an elaborate inside joke by the way)
Should we both together make a large extensive public exposé on the roon (@tszzl) X account to find out the truth because we are curious about what the fuck is going on?
I expect a very curious individual such as yourself to make the same or if not higher level of analysis as the one on Adrian Dittmann for roon.
All of this information without their consent, including their close family and friends, children and other information about where they live, their private information floating on the internet and who they work and their work history (all blurred out of course).
Then we can definitely conclude that roon is or is not Altman, we both know that roon and Altman work at OpenAI so you can start your investigation there.
Uhhh I must not have been clear. I'm playing out whether the situations are similar enough for it to be justifiable for someone to dig into it. That was not an attempt to actually figure it out, just like I didn't actually attempt to figure out the Dittmann thing.
