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what's it like to be poor in a rich country? the libertarian party supported his reelection bid and by support Ross he garnered more of their votes. this couldn't be more obvious. he did the same for crypto.

according to Trump: "A promise made is a promise kept", he is keeping his promise to his constituents.

enjoy your CNN propaganda.



Basically he’ll do anything to get the votes he needs, there’s no morality behind it.


So that's the interesting thing about it; he gets the votes from it, so apparently many people agree with him? Only in public nobody seems to agree with him? How is that possible?


>Only in public nobody seems to agree with him? How is that possible?

Societal taboos for example can create a division like this. You can see this divide between truly anonymous forums vs moderated conversations online.


Most of his voters have no idea what his campaign or promises are, and that's intentional, see mexican voters apparently surprised by his anti-mexican stance now.


> see mexican voters apparently surprised by his anti-mexican stance now.

Source?

And it seems people don't particularly like Trump, but vote on him because he seems to be the only one that wants to do something about illegal immigrants:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/us/politics/trump-policie...

And I understand that it's even frustrating for legal immigrants, who waited for years to get citizenship, that illegal immigrants don't have to do anything and get it right away.


>illegal immigrants don't have to do anything and get [citizenship] right away

Do they really? How? Asking for a friend.


Well during Biden's administration it was like that. Now that Trump came into office they already stopped coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MPcGL3Tfac

Here they explain why immigrants rather chose the illegal path opposed to the legal path during Biden's administration.

Now even before Trump came into office, the stream of illegal immigrants have already almost completely stopped:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/world/americas/migrants-t...

So yeah, we can argue about the details, but it is clear that during Biden's administration it was way too easy for illegal immigrants to get into the US, which is unfair for the legal immigrants that went through much more trouble to get there.

Aside from that, the constant flow of illegal immigrants also caused a lot of issues in the states near the borders, and obviously for the country as a whole.


> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MPcGL3Tfac

Sorry I really don't like YouTube for political content. Any text summaries of how they get citizenship quickly after crossing illegally?

> it was way too easy for illegal immigrants to get into the US

That's moving the goalposts. You said citizenship, not just getting in.

> which is unfair for the legal immigrants that went through much more trouble

And even more trouble now. So even more unfair...


> Sorry I really don't like YouTube for political content. Any text summaries of how they get citizenship quickly after crossing illegally?

Sorry, I looked for it but it seems it's not easy to find mainstream newspaper articles about this. It seems this topic is heavily being censored. Which is interesting in it's own right. But it does also mean that I can't deliver all this information on a golden plate for you, and you'll have to do a little bit of research and analyzing and personal thinking, instead of just reading the headlines that the media is feeding you.

Watch the video, it really gives you might insight into the complexity of the situation, or at least how it was.

And how else would you explain that first the borders were constantly flooded with illegal immigrants, and now not anymore? Something must have changed that has made the illegal path less interesting than the legal one.


> And how else would you explain that first the borders were constantly flooded with illegal immigrants, and now not anymore?

It could just be the news coverage. Maybe they wanted people scared before the election. Do you have sources with actual numbers? What is the percentage decrease?

> It seems this topic is heavily being censored

Then how are the illegal migrants "easily" getting citizenship finding out about it?


> Do you have sources with actual numbers? What is the percentage decrease?

Well isn't this obvious enough:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/world/americas/migrants-t...

> Then how are the illegal migrants "easily" getting citizenship finding out about it?

They hear it from each other. They know, it's a whole business, with coach busses taking immigrants to the border where they continue a common path take daily by many people. It's all in that video.


This is representative of the dichotomy we face within society, in that we rarely associate with people who have different opinions than us, even when we think that we do regularly. It is the paradox of our social circles that overlap but never interact.


>Only in public nobody seems to agree with him

What? In my experience his supporters literally never shut up about how they are the silent majority. The irony seems entirely lost on them.


The trick is inside or brains. We’re having trouble dealing with detailed percentage breakdowns and differentiating between groups of people.

Instead we think of “the average person” and project that on everyone.

You looked at the small libertarian interest group, and based on that projected how everyone is. Now you look at hacker news and you’re projecting how everyone is. This projection is where our reasoning fails.


Yeah but to be honest, most mainstream media channels that I see criticize Trump a lot. And the media that praises him is often seen als radical / extreme / whatever right.

So, either the old government is in power of the mainstream media, or people are secretly on the right and don't speak out about it. Or maybe a combination of the two.


It’s the selection of media that you see. Try watching Fox. Try listening to Joe Rogan. Try going on a clean YouTube account and watching random videos for a week. It’s there.

You made a false dichotomy, but I’m sure you can figure that one on your own.

There’s also the other aspect where you align your views to the views of your group.

There are places in the US, where being a Republican is absolutely the core of what you are, and you will adopt and genuinely love any candidate from that party.


This is democracy manifest.


thank god he won. someone had to do whatever was necessary.


I wish we had leaders with integrity, but we won’t for the foreseeable future.


I am just happy someone is slowing the H1B and indian out sourcing down. between that and AI california tech was about to die for Americans.


Whether that happens remains to be seen. In the first row on his inauguration was an Indian tech CEO and Elon loves H1Bs.


Trump yesterday: “I like both sides of the argument, but I also like very competent people coming into our country, even if that involves them training and helping other people that may not have the qualifications they do. I don't want to stop…”

"We want competent people coming into our country. And H-1B, I know the programme very well. I use the programme. Maître d', wine experts, even waiters, high-quality waiters, you've got to get the best people. People like Larry, he needs engineers, NASA also needs... engineers like nobody's ever needed them"




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