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We can be concerned about both.

One uses my data for ads, the other has concentration camps, stamps out democracy, and oppresses both my religion and the religion of others. I wonder which one I am more concerned about.

You appear to be confusing a company with a country.

Not sure ByteDance specifically does all that.

Now if you want to talk about the recent human rights records of the two countries concerned I think you'll find it's not all one way traffic.


When the company is required by law to turn over their data to the government without due process and to embody good socialist values, suddenly the difference between country and company is smaller. For your second point:

US Muslims in concentration camps within the last 15 years: ~0 Chinese Muslims in concentration camps within the last 15 years: ~1,000,000 Completely ignoring the forced sterilizations of men and women and China removing any democratic opposition and imprisoning student protesters in Hong Kong. It may not be one way traffic, but there sure is a whole lot more going one way than the other.


Never heard of the cloud act? Snowdon?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

How many wars is China currently involved in?

Which country has illegal torture, rendition, imprisonment without trial, spying on a global scale and is currently openly threatening Canada, Panama and Greenland, and has provided all the means for the ongoing ethnic cleansing in Gaza?

I'm not a fan of the Chinese system - but green houses and stones...


The US is not some knight in shining armor, but people who act like the US's many many flaws and mistakes are equal to the ongoing issues in China are simply misinformed. The fact that we can discuss this at all on a US website shows why the US has the moral high ground here. We can actually discus our many problems without being sent to a mental facility. At the very least, one set of actions occurred because of politicians people voted in, the other occurs without the consent or will of the people.

Edit: Plus the CLOUD act requires a public warrant or subpoena that must be granted in a fair court, as opposed to China's laws, which allow the government access to data whenever they please.


> Edit: Plus the CLOUD act requires a public warrant or subpoena that must be granted in a fair court, as opposed to China's laws, which allow the government access to data whenever they please.

Laws - haha - Snowdon revealed mass illegal surveillance. Clapper bare faced lied to Senators about it.

Also those laws only protect US citizens - as far as the US is concerned everyone else is totally fair game for anything - including arbitrary assassination, kidnappings, torture, imprisonment without trial etc.

I'd suggest the US wake up and take a good look in the mirror before moralising to others.

In a multi-polar world the US is going to need friends - and the US has some great people and characteristics - but as a friend - you need to sort yourselves out or soon you'll be on your own.


BTW in terms of rule of law - is James Clapper in prison or a free man?



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