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iCloud and Apple mail I use because my family is all in on Apple devices (teens!) so photo sync and music just work better with Apple, and the domain support for Apple mail is nice (outlook dropped that, Gmail costs a lot more, and my family can’t grok fastmail). But it’s death but a thousand cuts

I know they throw shade on interoperability but I wish they would just make iCloud for web sort of work. You can’t create Task lists, only tasks on existing lists, you can’t attach PDF to Notes, you can’t download or upload a folder. It’s endless. And iCloud sync on windows, ice pick to noggin…



I was just curious to compare plans, and Apple Music family is $17 while Spotify family is $20.

I know Spotify is “cooler” so worth the premium? I thought similar catalogs except now exclusive podcasts and maybe free audiobooks (are those good audiobooks or random authors?)

We actually usable Apple One, because spouse likes the News App, Kids like TV and Arcade and Fitness, so it’s not a bad value but it is hefty cost that keeps rising.


Spotify is more ubiquitous, so you can end up syncing to things like Playstations and stuff like that. Never really seen Apple music on non-apple devices.


Well it works fine on our Alexa and Google Home. I see that is useful if you have more heterogeneous tech.




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