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Over the last 20 years, 100-200 such cables globally have been damaged annually.

This is only news now because Russia is the current bogeyman, and the claims of Russia doing it fit the propaganda.

If I were Ukraine, I'd cut such cables to encourage my Western sponsors into more action, but that narrative is a bitter pill to swallow for the Western taxpayer's funding conflict.

Still, in 50 years, we may well be reading about exactly that.



"Over the last 20 years, 100-200 such cables globally have been damaged annually." I read this also all the time, what I don't hear: How do they break? At high sea? By anchors? In a port? By nature? We don't know?

I'm open to the argument, but then someone would need to show some numbers, some trends, reasons and that the current cable breaking is just the same as in the last 20 years.



I can't find anything of what I mentioned in those links.

Just the same numbers "with an average of 150 to 200 faults occurring globally each year" thrown around again - again with no source.

I would wish for

   Year  Number  Fishing Anchor Earthquake ...
   2022     128       15      2          5 
   2021     133       22      8          2
(best grouped by region, Baltic Sea, North Atlanic, South Atlantic, Black Sea, ...)

etc.


This does not show evidence to refute the claim.


You're conveniently omitting the fact that the cables have been damaged a lot more recently than before.

And that Russia has a long history of doing these types of sabotage (including assassinations!).

And that these boats have incriminating circumstances.


Nope, it's about normal.

Nope, there is no conclusive evidence to support your claims.

It's just as likely to be NATO ships doing the damage as it is <insert NATO adversary>.

https://www2.telegeography.com/submarine-cable-faqs-frequent...

https://www.submarinenetworks.com/en/nv/insights/itu-launche...


Your evidence is not compelling, because the planet is a large place...compelling evidence would be showing that there is no significant increase in broken cables among these countries that are so close to Russia.


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When you call someone an NPC, you lose all credibility, both for the ad hominem attack, but also for how cliched and unoriginal it is. Can you please come up with something better?


If Ukraine did it, they'd lose support - that would be silly.

Damage is normal, sure, but multiple ships dragging anchors for many miles is not. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue.



...but is it normal among countries adjacent to Russia?


> Over the last 20 years, 100-200 such cables globally have been damaged annually.

[Citation Needed]



Do you have statistics for the Baltic Sea? The amount of shipping in that area is much lower than in the major international shipping lanes like the English Channel.


Not a good comparison. The English Channel is the most busy maritime route in the world. The Baltic Sea accounts for 15 % of the world's maritime transportation so is also busy, even if less than the English Channel by no means "much lower",


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bornholm_Cable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Baltic_Sea_submarine_cabl...

Given the increase in cables plus the increase in shipping, it is no surprise to find an increase in cable damage.


You give no actual evidence.


Q: Show baltic sea incidents Me: Here ya go have a complete list You: <spurious nonsense>


Is there an increase in shipping in the baltic? Is there an increase in cables in the baltic? You demonstrate neither.




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