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Thanks for the link.

>> It effectively treats “reasoning” as the ability to generate intermediate steps leading to a correct conclusion.

Is "effectively" the same as "pretty precise" as per your previous comment? I don't see that because I searched the paper for all occurrences of "reasoning" and noticed two things: first that while the term is used to saturation there is no attempt to define it even informally, let alone precisely; and second that I could have replaced "reasoning" with any buzzword of the day and it would not change the impact of the paper. As far as I can tell the paper uses "reasoning" just because it happens to be what's currently trending in LLM circles.

And still of course no attempt to engage with the common understanding of reasoning I discuss above, or any hint that the authors are aware of it.

Sorry to be harsh, but you promised "examples that go back 50 years" and this is the kind of thing I've seen consistently in the last 15 or so.



The point is there has to be meaning for reasoning. I think the claim in this paper is very clear and the results are shown decisively.

Research papers relating to reasoning approach and define it in many ways but crucially, the good ones offer a testable claim.

Simply saying “models can’t reason” is ambiguous to the point of being unanswerable.




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