Once again, your argument aside, your way of speaking is the issue here. If you think you're winning anyone to your arguments in this way, you're wrong.
> And point two is that if you see these facts and decide that you support the Gazans, then you are not holding a different view, you are guilty of being an apologist to Ghengis Khan-level savagery and therefore are deserving of condemnation.
No, your point is wrong. You switched between talking about Hamas to talking about Gazans.
It is entirely consistent to be against Hamas but still support Gazans. In fact, some people claim that supporting Gazans means being against Hamas, because of Hamas's brutal dictatorship over the Gazans.
The Gazans voted for Hamas as their leaders knowing their genocidal policy towards Jews. The October 7 attack was popular among Palestinians including Gazans at first. Less so now. It is fair then to say that the Gazans bear some responsibility for the attack. Also, the IDF are targeting Hamas, not the Gazans as a whole. Additional civilian deaths are caused by the cowardly tactics of Hamas to use human shields. The Gazans knew that Hamas used these tactics when they voted for them. Again, you reap what you sow.
> So you are pushing the idea that Palestine deserves to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Israelis.
I'm not going to speak for the parent poster, but I think the more legitimate Israeli position here isn't that Gaza deserves to be genocided, but it is legitimate to go to war with it to remove its rulers given their invasion of Israel. Israelis in general don't agree that what is happening is a genocide, as opposed to the terrible cost of a legitimate war.
> Does Israel deserve to be genocided because it voted for people who want to genocide Palestinians, or does it only go one way around?
> Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023?
Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians, and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th, everything since then has been part of the campaign that happened because of October 7th.
>> Why do people pretend the start of history was October 7, 2023?
> Why do people keep saying this? No one thinks history started on October 7th. But Israelis did not vote for people who want to genocide Palestinians,
they did
> and indeed there was no war happening before October 7th,
Haifa Massacre 1937
Jerusalem Massacre 1937
Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939
Haifa Massacre 1939
Haifa Massacre 1947
Abbasiya Massacre 1947
Al-Khisas Massacre 1947
Bab al-Amud Massacre 1947
Jerusalem Massacre 1947
Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947
Jaffa Massacre 1948
Deir Yassin Massacre 1948
Tantura Massacre 1948
Khan Yunis Massacre 1956
Jerusalem Massacre 1967
Bahro Al Baquar 1972
Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982
Al Aqsa Mosque Massacre 1990
Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994
Jenin Refugee Camp April 2002
Gaza Massacre 2008-09
Gaza Massacre 2012
Gaza Massacre 2014
Gaza Massacre 2018-19
Gaza Massacre 2021
Gaza Massacre 2023
This list is incomplete. You can help by expanding it.
Firstly, this list is completely one-sided. If you actually think you're right, why not write something real? Do you honestly think this is a good representation of reality? It's like writing down a list of Allied attacks in WW2.
Secondly, what do you think this proves in terms of whether there is a war? Again, I can make a similar list of battles in WW2. Does that mean WW2 is still happening? Obviously not.
A bunch of what you wrote is before Israel was even founded. At least one is a (horrendous) terrorist attack carried out by an Israeli, but not by Israel. A bunch of them are from the war that followed Israeli independence, when multiple Arab nations attacked Israel. The biggest country that attacked Israel in that war iirc - Egypt - has had a peace agreement with Israel for 40 years!
You could say there is a war with Hamas, though officially there was a ceasefire following the previous fighting, which you call - for some reason - the "Gaza Massacre 2021").
Once again, your argument aside, your way of speaking is the issue here. If you think you're winning anyone to your arguments in this way, you're wrong.
> And point two is that if you see these facts and decide that you support the Gazans, then you are not holding a different view, you are guilty of being an apologist to Ghengis Khan-level savagery and therefore are deserving of condemnation.
No, your point is wrong. You switched between talking about Hamas to talking about Gazans.
It is entirely consistent to be against Hamas but still support Gazans. In fact, some people claim that supporting Gazans means being against Hamas, because of Hamas's brutal dictatorship over the Gazans.