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The environmental movement between 1970-1990 made great changes in the way people lived. What stopped it was all out effort by the fossil fuel industry to ensure nothing would affect their profits.

I bet you can think of ways to reduce carbon output without changing square footage or miles driven.



The environmental movement was in large part, wealthy people trying to block development in their own neighborhoods.

Much of that environmental movement created the sprawl we live with today.


what the fuck


You look at the history of the sierra club. They went from an organization fighting dams and the army corp, to a group fighting neighborhood development and densification in Marin county.


Try looking beyond your beef with the Sierra club.


Have you every heard of CEQA?

You can be an environmentalist (I am) and realize that much of the 'environmentalist movement' is self-serving nonsense; e.g., plastic recycling. It doesn't mean you don't care... it just means the world is less altruistic than you thought.


Say what you will about misguided efforts, you have to admit they changed public behavior.


The fact that they changed behavior is immaterial to whether they improved or damaged the environment on net.

You look at California’s sprawl in the face of climate change, and you have to condemn a significant amount of the cliched 70’s environmentalism movements as as much about aesthetics as they were genuinely concerned about the environment.


Yes, it’s called nuclear energy. We had nuclear power on the grid in 1954.




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